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Old 7 Dec 2016, 16:18 (Ref:3694562)   #31
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Re prices- cars are far cheaper now than at any time in history- it's why there are so many of the damn things.1959 Mini cost £497 and had no equipment worth beans , not even a heater . Now equivalent of £10 500 , two grand more than a host of small, well equipped and safe cars from Hyundai, Skoda etc . And because modern cars don't fall in bits and rust away after 2 years, buying a 4 or 5 year old car now means years of trouble free driving for pennies
they are also made out of plastic and require authorized mechanics to work on them (or wave goodbye to your warranty) so i actually think they are more expensive to maintain.

cheaper is a relative term but imo they are certainly not more affordable but perhaps this is more of an issue in N.America.
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Old 7 Dec 2016, 16:40 (Ref:3694566)   #32
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Yup- they are made out of plastic - which tends to last longer than the recycled baked bin tins most British Leyland cars employed.

More expensive to maintain ??? My late father's Triumph Vitesse (to name but one blast from the past )needed oil changes every 5k miles or less and near constant attention to plugs and points; it started rusting at 18months and synchro on second also knackered by then; overdrive worked intermittently. It was a sports saloon which had zero grip in the wet and not much more in the dry; the windows bowed out at 70 mph and the engine noise was pleasant but deafening .It struggled to seat 4 adults

My daily driver has a 3 cylinder 1 litre turbo and seats 4 big people ;it has 125bhp -25 % more than 2 litre Vitesse; it cruises in silence at 90mph and does 45mpg - not the 23 mpg of the Triumph. It needs a service every 12k miles ...

Good old days...forget it !
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Old 7 Dec 2016, 17:46 (Ref:3694584)   #33
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thats one of the differences for this side of the pond (and latitude).

we have to services our cars not just based on distance but change of seasons.

20cm of snow yesterday with another 5-10 coming today followed by a week of -30C....and the crazy part is that just a couple of months ago is was +30C.

with extremes like that cost becomes more of an issue so no doubt i am looking at it more from that side of things.

however one thing does make me feel nostalgic for the old day...the amount of heat my old mans late model V8 pontiac safari station wagon cranked out puts my new(ish) 1.8l turbo vw jetta to shame.

forget seat and steering wheel warmers just give me a heater that works in the winter!!!
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I feel sorry in some ways for all those with diesel cars, as prices will soon crash as folk are already slowly abandoning them - due to inevitable action being taken soon against them. Cities banning them are not far off, which will make life difficult for their owners, and the doctors body (BMA) has called for action to be taken due to the harm to folk's lungs. We saw a program recently that said the average diesel car emits twice as much muck as a lorry!!
Petrol engines are getting close to their realtime mpg - the TSI engines fitted to VW, Skoda, Seat, and Audi for example, are amazing. We got over 46mpg (averaged over the last two years) from a 2011 1.4 Octavia (not tiny, and it doesn't hang about). We will stick to these engines for the future as a result, but other companies (like Ford for example) do as good a job.
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I feel sorry in some ways for all those with diesel cars, as prices will soon crash as folk are already slowly abandoning them - due to inevitable action being taken soon against them. Cities banning them are not far off, which will make life difficult for their owners, and the doctors body (BMA) has called for action to be taken due to the harm to folk's lungs. We saw a program recently that said the average diesel car emits twice as much muck as a lorry!!
Petrol engines are getting close to their realtime mpg - the TSI engines fitted to VW, Skoda, Seat, and Audi for example, are amazing. We got over 46mpg (averaged over the last two years) from a 2011 1.4 Octavia (not tiny, and it doesn't hang about). We will stick to these engines for the future as a result, but other companies (like Ford for example) do as good a job.
I couldn't agree more. I recently reduced my annual mileage from 30k to around 15k, and changed my VAG 1.6 Tdi for a VAG 1.2 Tsi. It has surprised me with its performance - not exactly earth-shattering, but the little turbo gives it the ability to accelerate past heavy traffic in the same manner as the diesel, with a lot less noise. I do a fair bit of town driving, but I average around 45mpg, as opposed to the diesel's 50mpg. They're cracking good little motors, and Ford's 1.0 unit is equally impressive - my daughter drove a Focus equipped with one, and couldn't believe the smooth delivery and adequate performance of such a small engine. They're the future.
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I couldn't agree more. I recently reduced my annual mileage from 30k to around 15k, and changed my VAG 1.6 Tdi for a VAG 1.2 Tsi. It has surprised me with its performance - not exactly earth-shattering, but the little turbo gives it the ability to accelerate past heavy traffic in the same manner as the diesel, with a lot less noise. I do a fair bit of town driving, but I average around 45mpg, as opposed to the diesel's 50mpg. They're cracking good little motors, and Ford's 1.0 unit is equally impressive - my daughter drove a Focus equipped with one, and couldn't believe the smooth delivery and adequate performance of such a small engine. They're the future.
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