750mc Sports 1000 & Radicals series

[andy97]

I see in this weeks Autosport that there is a proposal to run older Radical Clubsport 1100s in conjunction with Sports 1000 next year. I think that this is an excellent idea - I hope that Global Lights, OMS, DJ Firecats and other appropriately motor bike engined cars will also be allowed in.

A couple of years ago the 750 mc ran a Clubsports 2000 series for F1300, Vauxhall & Ford Crossflow engined Clubmans, Sports 2000 & (the then newly created) Radicals. Perhaps this can be the start of something similar. Clubsports 1000 would seem to be an appropriate title.

[kickstart]

andy97, I am all for races that run at full capacity and sports 1000 has got some way to go to build up to a full grid, hence I think that this idea has a lot of merit to it. Do you know how the radicals and the sports 1000 compare in terms of lap times ?

[andy97]

Sorry, don't know. Although I suspect that the Radicals will be quicker; I think that the Radical Clubsports have about 130 bhp compared to the Sports 1000 c90bhp (I think). Perhaps there is a plan to run in classes or maybe ballast the Radicals.

[ss_collins]

I think ballsat the rads is best. I note with interest that 750F and S1000 will run together on Saturday

[JohnMiller]

Depends how much is needed. Running a Radical with 100kg of lead would be rather dangerous...

[Red Dog]

Well, the S1000's ran with 750F on Saturday at Brands and apart from one S1000 they were outclassed by the 750's. I expect that it was due to inexperienced drivers in the S1000's but I am certain that the 1100 Radicals would be a lot faster.

[adriand]

I do not believe the S1000 cars were outclassed, as the design of the S1000 was originally intended as a 750F, with BMW engines instead of the Reliant unit, long before the Fiat engine was discussed.
The engine choice was to keep the costs similar, to a reliant, & try to attract new people into 750f,with a new car, & more acceptable engine at least in name!.
This has been achieved the S1000 cars have introduced at least 13 new cars in 2 years, which would not have entered 750f, they should be allowed to run in 750f their original intended home.

[ss_collins]

I have to say most of them were outclassed but this was simply down to the drivers have little or no experience - and the 750F drivers having loads - still watching the works? ADR relentlessly closing down the leaders was great - a couple more laps hand he'd have caught Simpson - the way the ADR just Breezed by the 750's showed that the 1000s are far quicker than the older Reliant/fiat cars.

I would love to have heard the conversation after race between Bove and Simpson.

[Red Dog]

Adrian,

I am not meaning to take a fling at the ADR cars. I think they look very good. I have no doubt that in the right hands they will be much faster than the 750's the leading S1000 was doing okay. But on Saturday there were mostly novices in S1000. (Some of them even forgot the drivers' briefing at 12.45....whoops!)

[Keith Wheeler]

I believe the Classic Sports Car Club are planning an allcomers race for all bike-engined cars (closed wheel only) on 8th August at Mallory. £125 entry fee.
More details from them - www.classicsportscarclub.co.uk

[ss_collins]

how about using restictors on the rads?

[adriand]

Hi Sam,
Why not continue to run with the 750F, at least for the remainder of this year both classes are underperforming in terms of numbers, & both believe that by next year they will have full grids in their own rights.
So in the mean time at least both will be able to race & times do not differ dramatically, just class divide them.

[ss_collins]

I agree with that totally I have to say. But this radical issue won't go away something must be run for the old cars.

[andy97]

How about re-establishing the "ClubSports 2000" series that ran a few years ago - its where the Radicals started out. It seems to me that there is a still a need for somewhere to race sports cars in a "libre" type format. Yes I know that there's Britsports but potentially that is for far more "serious" (& therefore expensive) bits of kit. ClubSports 2000 could accomodate everything from Clubmans Vauxhall cars (currently nowhere to race) to National Supersports, Global Lights and Sports 1000 (all of which have struggled for stand alone grids over the years.

[adriand]

Hello Andy, & Sam,
I agree that all the cars mentioned need somewhere to race, But isnt this the same as Britsports?.
The S1000 & 750F are close in many aspects, by joining these at least in the short term would ensure the future for both.
If there is a requirement for a series for the other cars mentioned then Brilliant! I am sure some of the S1000 cars will enter these races as well.

[ChironWSC]

Andy

There is no need to start up a class like Clubsports 2000 again because there is already a championship going.
All the cars you mentioned in your post can race in the National SuperSport Championship. There is a Radical Class (SP3) then there is an open class SP2. And finaly the main class SP1 which is for the true SuperSports cars all running the Vauxhall 2000cc engine sealed, with spec Dunlop tyres. This class is very strong this year with several new cars arriving and some new drivers very quick cars, pole position at Snet last year was a 1:05.20. All races are double headers over 7 weekends.
www.nationalsupersports.com

Henry

[andy97]

I thought that I might ruffle a few Nat Supersports! I bow to Henry's knowledge but I am still not convinced that the category has ever really fulfilled its potential. Unfortunately, because I am a fan of the cars. Perhaps they should have kept the front engined Clubmans cars in, particularly after Mallock produced the EBX bodies.

[ChironWSC]

The front engine cars have been able to race in Supersports SP2 class for a few years now as long as they have all enveloping body work like the Mallock EBX. Looking back the desision not to continue with the Front engined cars was the wrong one to take it was a shame the EBX body was not around at the time it could have changed things.

[andy97]

Originally posted by ChironWSC
The front engine cars have been able to race in Supersports SP2 class for a few years now as long as they have all enveloping body work like the Mallock EBX. Looking back the desision not to continue with the Front engined cars was the wrong one to take it was a shame the EBX body was not around at the time it could have changed things.

Has anyone raced an EBX type car in SP2 - does anyone know its allowed? After the hullabaloo of the Clubman cars being discounted from Supersports and the consequent split with the Clubmans Register a positive marketing campaign might be needed to get people back. However, there are still one or two front engined Vauxhall engined Clubmans cars about (with few places to race), they just need some encouragement to do the relevant bodywork updates and it may be that unless they have read the regs recently that they do not know.

It may have been the row over the "traditional looks" of the Clubmans cars in Supersports that prompted the development of the EBX body anyway.

[ss_collins]

I would like the purity of Sports 1000 / 750F to remain as they are both good series (though 750F is not attracting newcomers - S1000 is) I think sports 1000 is the way to go for - baby sports racers the only change I would make is have a B class that allows closed cars (not just spacefame ones) to run with a the Bigger BMW lump - older kit cars that are dirt cheap to pick up (and no not 7s!)

My NKS would be perfect for this!

[andy97]

I've just seen a picture of the Speads RS04 sports car. An Audi R8 Clone. Awesome looking bit of kit. I assume that its bike engined & if so it needs somewhere to race where it can take on other bike engined cars, any ideas......

[gi_gav]

a clone indeed! here's a link:

http://sports.racer.net/chassis/speads/page1.htm

[ss_collins]

could be an ADR beater??

[kickstart]

Just read in autosport that Jonathan Harker had a big off in testing on the Friday before Brands in his Sports 1000 - is he okay ? I met him at Cadwell a couple of weeks before and he seemed to be really enjoying his new car. Is the car repairable ?

[ss_collins]

I saw the wreck - bodywork and suspension looked written off - the chassis however was untouched - there is now no doubt about the strength and saftey of the ADR.