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22 Apr 2018, 10:24 (Ref:3816881) | #51 | |
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Scotty Mac.
Decent lead in the championship now But it doesnt take much to fall back SVG, something not right there, team is no gelling Erebus, loving there form, can it continue and Anton is doing a ripper job Richie Stanaway, we know he can drive, but lack of experience in car setup is showing |
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22 Apr 2018, 22:11 (Ref:3816949) | #52 | ||
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Whincup's penalty is yet another case of too many rules resulting in little or no benefit to the sport.
A pitlane speed limit is desirable but dictating how the teams adhere to the limit it grossly excessive rule making. The desired outcome is to reduce speed in the pit lane - how the team achieve this, whether by a speed limiter, using engines revs, counting grid girls or using the Force should be left to the teams themselves to decide. |
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22 Apr 2018, 22:39 (Ref:3816950) | #53 | ||
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I agree, but he did accelerate to above the limit after disabling the limiter. |
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22 Apr 2018, 22:42 (Ref:3816951) | #54 | ||
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Having a system in place makes for easy application, reduces error, allows for easy adjudication and easy enforcement What you are suggesting is complicated and more difficult to enforce increasing opportunities for errors Whincup was speeding, he deserved penalty |
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Very effective system, works well, can't see it changing anytime soon. |
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23 Apr 2018, 00:56 (Ref:3816960) | #57 | ||
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Ripper round, Sunday race was particularly enjoyable.
Couple of unusual errors from 888 while Erebus doing everything right. Is making for an interesting championship battle early on. Fabian's rear wing mistake was plain dumb - why are there holes that allow the wing to be setup illegally? Congrats to Rick for 2 podiums Larko needs to practice on his smartboard, but before the telecast starts, not during. |
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23 Apr 2018, 05:20 (Ref:3816969) | #58 | |
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Couldn't agree more. He got zero benefit from it, it didn't effect anyone else, and it didn't effect the end result of the race ( he lost a place after that pitstop ). The penalty was massive compared to the crime. Yes he broke the rule, but let's apply some common sense when handing out penalties.
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If the punishment doesn't fit the crime, what should the punishment be? Bear in mind that whatever you decide, it needs to be consistent. |
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23 Apr 2018, 05:47 (Ref:3816971) | #60 | ||
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Same penalty Scott got last year in Newcastle when he was speeding in pit lane. So at least consistent. However like in newcastle the penalty is harsh. Harsher penalty than a jump start, Harsher penalty than taking a car off the road at 200kmh |
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23 Apr 2018, 05:48 (Ref:3816972) | #61 | |
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I'm happy for it to be equal with the jump start penalty. A 10 second hold at the next pit stop or time added after the race
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The penalties for exceeding speed or not using the limiter need to be harsh to overcome any competitive urges. A driver might choose to switch a limiter off, rip past another car just completing its stop in pit lane by accelerating beyond the 40kmh but accept the 10 sec penalty in the belief that the time can be made back on track with better track position. In the meantime, putting the safety of a bunch of crew members at greater risk. Nup, makes no sense to reduce the penalty at all. |
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23 Apr 2018, 07:27 (Ref:3816978) | #63 | ||
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23 Apr 2018, 08:12 (Ref:3816980) | #65 | ||
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Why would any driver/team deliberately break the rules to gain one second when they know they will be caught and penalised 10 seconds There is no backing down/reduction on the safety measures here, just a reduction in the consequence. Which is still significant enough to stop people deliberately break the rules and also provides consistent punishment with other penalties And then there is the contradiction of your post, the teams would deliberately break the rules. The rules the same team want to enforce. It cant be both Last edited by peckstar; 23 Apr 2018 at 08:18. |
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Either way, the penalty is what it is, the pit lane is a high risk area with vulnerable pedestrians exposed and risk has been mitigated by way of a suite of rule structures, including the current penalties. In the same way that penalties for testing outside the rules didn't change after Woomera, I can't see there being any drive from within the paddock for any change to the penalties applicable to pit lanes. |
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23 Apr 2018, 11:12 (Ref:3816993) | #67 | |
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The penalty applied, is a one-size-fits-all.
So ANY intance where the pit lane speed limit was exceded, warrants a drive-through penalty, or a pre-detirmined amount of time added, at the conclusion of the race. The punishment does fit the crime, but given where and how it occurred, it kind of doesn't. I don't think a rule change is required though. |
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23 Apr 2018, 13:32 (Ref:3817009) | #68 | |
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My understanding is that Whincup turned OFF the pit lane limiter as he tried (and did) to get out of his pit in front of McLaughlin which is a no no...
I presume by turning the limiter off he would be able to have more power and be able to accelerate faster which would help him gain the advantage. He was pinged turning the limiter off then back on. A case of trying to gain an unfair advantage (cheating!) |
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So if Whincup exceeds by 7km hr, which may give him a couple of car lengths at best, but then Scotty throws it down the road trying to make up that ill-gotten gain? What then? As someone else has said here, the rules ar ethe rules, there should be no flexibility in application to avoid inconsistencies.
And a reason for a quick blip in turning off the pitlane speed limiter to make up one second could be the difference in queuing up in the lane, ultimately costing you many many more seconds. |
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24 Apr 2018, 00:14 (Ref:3817089) | #71 | ||
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In regards to safety the most frightening aspect of the weekend was during the safety car period.
Drivers pushing hard under the safety car along the main straight with cars exiting pitlane and then having the aforementioned driver having to slow as to not run into the exiting cars. The fact that drivers are allowed to drive at unabated speed under the safety car is almost criminal - especially when other simple (such as the F1 rules) methods are available to stamp out this reckless practice. |
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24 Apr 2018, 00:35 (Ref:3817091) | #72 | ||
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The Whincup penalty IS harsh.
But it needs to be when considering why the rule is in place. ie. safe pitlane for crew. In this instance though it is probably worse for Jamie because he had no opportunity to race after the penalty and peg back some of that lost time / positions. If he had been given the drive-thru directly after the infringement, he may have grabbed 6 or 7 positions back and the 75 points loss would have been halved. |
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24 Apr 2018, 00:53 (Ref:3817095) | #73 | ||
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Actually it might have been worse, because the field was more closely bunched at the time and he would have had to fight through the traffic, potentially losing more time. |
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24 Apr 2018, 01:18 (Ref:3817098) | #74 | ||
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The #1 reason why I'm OK with how it went down on the weekend
Edit: Just thinking after re-reading my previous post. You would really need to dissect what was happening on track with all positions to see what sort of gain or missed opportunity Whincup faced by having the penalty applied post-race instead of an immediate drive-thru. After all he did get to race on after he infringed so was making up spots that would be later taken away. Semantics, he did the wrong, accidentally, but it still occurred therefore drive-thru. At least the vision and data made it obvious this time. Last edited by ford71; 24 Apr 2018 at 01:23. |
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