LAP records

[TSR]

With Bathurst over and normal racing it seems to me that the lap records go to race times, but is it different for Bathurst. I say this because at Bathurst all we get thrown down our throats by TV is that lap by Greg Murphy in 2003 and it was a Qualifying lap. But every were else it seems to be the race that belongs to the lap record.
And up and till today Rusty had Indy's lap record but Frosty broke it today.

So were does the lap record belong to the Race or Quailying.

[peckstar]

there is two records

race lap record and outright lap record

the race record wa mentioned at bathurst on lap 159ish when lowndes go to within 0.1 of it

[TSR]

Would it not be better to have only one lap record and that being a RACE Record.




PS Keep it up peckstar you only have 17 posts togo

[johnh875]

Originally Posted by peckstar

race lap record

aka "the lap record". Any other time recorded (prac/qual) is a footnote really.

[rustyinsthoz]

The fastest lap set in a race is the official lap record, not the qualifying lap time.

[storyline]

Originally Posted by peckstar

there is two records

race lap record and outright lap record

the race record wa mentioned at bathurst on lap 159ish when lowndes go to within 0.1 of it

There is ONE lap record only for any category at every track.

The lap record is only recognised by CAMS and the FIA when set durig a race. Any other quoted 'lap record' set in practice or qualifying is unofficial and doesn't hold any water at all.

The Outright Lap record is nothing more than a Category Lap Record which is also recognised as being the fastest at that track - nothing else.

About 8-9 years ago a number of timekeepers/tracks around the country wanted to have Qualifying Times recognised officially for use as a lap record but CAMS (read Schenken) refused to allow it - he was never able to give a logical or reasonable answer other than the CAMS manual didn't allow for it. however since he got onto the AVESCO payroll as well as CAMS he seems to have changed his tune although the CAMS manual still doesn't recognise lap records set outside of a race. (The tracks that wanted this, btw, were Hidden Valley, Barbagallo, Winton, Sandown and Symmons)

[TSR]

Originally Posted by storyline

There is ONE lap record only for any category at every track.

The lap record is only recognised by CAMS and the FIA when set durig a race. Any other quoted 'lap record' set in practice or qualifying is unofficial and doesn't hold any water at all.

The Outright Lap record is nothing more than a Category Lap Record which is also recognised as being the fastest at that track - nothing else.

About 8-9 years ago a number of timekeepers/tracks around the country wanted to have Qualifying Times recognised officially for use as a lap record but CAMS (read Schenken) refused to allow it - he was never able to give a logical or reasonable answer other than the CAMS manual didn't allow for it. however since he got onto the AVESCO payroll as well as CAMS he seems to have changed his tune although the CAMS manual still doesn't recognise lap records set outside of a race. (The tracks that wanted this, btw, were Hidden Valley, Barbagallo, Winton, Sandown and Symmons)

Could not have said better myself. Well said storyline.

[peckstar]

well obviously that is incorrect because there are two records at all tracks. whether they are official or not, does not take away from them being lap records

[Falcadore]

Originally Posted by TSR

With Bathurst over and normal racing it seems to me that the lap records go to race times, but is it different for Bathurst. I say this because at Bathurst all we get thrown down our throats by TV is that lap by Greg Murphy in 2003 and it was a Qualifying lap. But every were else it seems to be the race that belongs to the lap record.
And up and till today Rusty had Indy's lap record but Frosty broke it today.

So were does the lap record belong to the Race or Quailying.

The only official lap record is recorded on an individual lap basis during racing.

There are qualifying lap records and records for how long a race takes, but they are unofficial.

[Falcadore]

Originally Posted by peckstar

well obviously that is incorrect because there are two records at all tracks. whether they are official or not, does not take away from them being lap records

There are far more than two lap records. For example, the race record, mentioned previously, actually relates to the length of races. The Bathurst race record was set in 1991 by the Skyline of Richards/Skaife and has yet to be bested by V8Supercar. You could have lap records for all kinds of distances, speedway circuits maintain lap records for for laps, five laps, ten laps, fifteen, 20, 25, 30, 40 etc etc.

There is but one real lap record. Pecks you can be new wave if you like, but it's based entirely on TV's wish to have a relevant stat to talk about during Bathursts top ten shootout. That's the only reason it has a public profile at all.

[sizzle]

Originally Posted by Falcadore

There is but one real lap record. Pecks you can be new wave if you like, but it's based entirely on TV's wish to have a relevant stat to talk about during Bathursts top ten shootout. That's the only reason it has a public profile at all.

You are right Falc however the fact that it was a magic lap so much quicker than anybody thought possible at the time and that there weren't too many people present (teams included) who weren't in awe of it means it will get attention. Nothing to do with the discussion however.

[PVDA]

Race length records don't count for much these days when you consider the amount of time wasted following around the Safety Car these days.

[johnny yuma]

Lap record has pretty much stood still since 2003,Skaife took 2 hundredths off it in 05 at 2:08.65.Last big tumble was 2001 when half the field broke the 1997 Perkins record,Ambrose best at 2:09.7.
Thus commentators desperate to latch onto something interesting . Nowhere in the 136 page $9 Bathurst 1000 program is there a lap records list for any category--obviously V8 Supercars are living only in the whizz-bang-all happening-kaleidoscope of colour present.I wonder how much of a future that has?

Can anyone tell me if "Qualifying tyres" are a thing of the past,and if so when did they disappear for the 1000 ?

[Taz Q2]

Here's some trivia for ya's, what car & driver still holds the lap record for Bathurst before the chase was put in & only made it to about lap 47 or 48 somewhere around there on race day before expiring down conrod.

This will get the arguments flowing he he.

P.S the time was a 2.13. cant remember the point.

[Falcadore]

Originally Posted by johnny yuma

Lap record has pretty much stood still since 2003,Skaife took 2 hundredths off it in 05 at 2:08.65.Last big tumble was 2001 when half the field broke the 1997 Perkins record,Ambrose best at 2:09.7.
Thus commentators desperate to latch onto something interesting . Nowhere in the 136 page $9 Bathurst 1000 program is there a lap records list for any category--obviously V8 Supercars are living only in the whizz-bang-all happening-kaleidoscope of colour present.I wonder how much of a future that has?

Can anyone tell me if "Qualifying tyres" are a thing of the past,and if so when did they disappear for the 1000 ?

The absence of stats is due to the fact that the program is put together not by Chevron anymore, but by a newspaper publisher and when they used stats in the early years they were ridiculously bad and wrong. One year there was no less than FORTY errors in the drivers profiles.

So eventually they gave up.

Besides if they had records in the program then they'd have to include the race record, which is held by a Nissan.







Oh.

Ummm.

But Nissan's don't exist do they?

Taz: the Bathurst lap record pre-chase was set by Neil Allen in a Formula 5000 in 1970 in the 2:10 region. If you mean touring cars only, then highly likely it's George Fury in the Nissan Bluebird turbo he did the shatteringly quick Hardies Heroes lap the previous day which in its time acquired the same mythos that the Greg Murphy lap presently holds.





Wait a minute... Nissans don't exist do they?

[Taz Q2]

On the money both ways.

Jeez i used to get some arguments over that the holden boys hated that every time it was mentioned

[Alan 52]

When The Artist says that V8 Supercars didn't exist until 1997 you can't expect him to have any respect for or knowledge of the history of this great sport.I agree also that the Bathurst programs now published by News Custom Publishing are pathetic in every respect compared to the old Chevron ones.However they do a good job with the programs for the F1 and Moto GP meetings.

[Alan 52]

When The Artist says that V8 Supercars didn't exist until 1997 you can't expect him to have any respect for or knowledge of the history of this great sport.I agree also that the Bathurst programs now published by News Custom Publishing are pathetic in every respect compared to the old Chevron ones.However they do a good job with the programs for the F1 and Moto GP meetings.

[johnny yuma]

Wait a minute... Nissans don't exist do they?[/QUOTE]

Well I hear there wasn't much of Fury's engine still existing in any useful form after that overboosted lap !!

[Taz Q2]

It was fine after qualifying but it was a sight to see coming down conrod when the turbo let go early in the race the next morning, it looked just like the smoke from the space shuttle when it blew up, it was soooooooo hot that year.

But the car & George go down in history for that record.