Bye Bye Green & Yellow - Page 2

**Woolley** · 14 Apr 2004, 23:26 (Ref:939927)

Red flag goes both ways around the circuit, and happens regardless of where the leader is at the time. Result, usually no problems. Full course yellows, as on the oval, does the same.

B/Y went one way, and waited for the leader to arrive at the startline. I firmly believe that if the B/Y had operated as a FCY and was deployed in the same way as the red, all its problems would have been solved. When it worked it was great - I agree with the sentiments about the much missed Mr Nicol, and this was an inspired idea just in need of a little tweaking. Unfortunately when it didn't work, as was often the case, carnage or worse ensued.

johnw · 15 Apr 2004, 01:26 (Ref:939990)

Seems very sensible Woolley.
Whay wasn't it tried the way you describe?

Flagman · 15 Apr 2004, 08:05 (Ref:940140)

The B/Y was initially tried going round both ways by some clubs but that caused even more problems - everyone slowing down immediatly and never forming a train.

**Woolley** · 15 Apr 2004, 18:35 (Ref:940757)

I could never understand why 'not forming a train' was a problem.

They weren't in one before, and providing everyone slows down, they just pick up where they left off?

TwoSheds · 16 Apr 2004, 12:32 (Ref:941494)

Quote:

Originally posted by Woolley
I could never understand why 'not forming a train' was a problem.

They weren't in one before, and providing everyone slows down, they just pick up where they left off?

Quite often you wanted a train to form so the marshalls had a decent sized gap (and time) in which to effect a recovery in safety.

**Woolley** · 17 Apr 2004, 00:13 (Ref:942231)

Fair point, but if everyone's going too slowly to form a train, then you have control, so no danger?

Andrew Hornsey · 17 Apr 2004, 10:45 (Ref:942461)

Interesting to note that Karting complained about it being dropped, and it was re introduced.

I think that education is always the way to go - a semi usablke system is better than none at all.

And I have to agree with Johngee (sorry John, but you were the fianl thing that made me decide to Clerk, so you are going to get the blame for everything from me :-)) that it is driving standards that need improving. If the flag was withdrawn because the drivers didn't know how to behave when it came it, THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN TRAINED. Just saying we are not going to use it any more is defeatest, and does not do away with any of the issues it was supposed to resolve.

Andrew

TwoSheds · 19 Apr 2004, 12:32 (Ref:944096)

Quote:

Originally posted by Woolley
Fair point, but if everyone's going too slowly to form a train, then you have control, so no danger?

Maybe not, but the gap allows a recovery vehicle to cross the track in safety to reach a stricken car, for example at Brands Hatch retrieving cars from the gravel at Post 4a and bringing them back to safety behind Post 7.

neil_davidson2 · 19 Apr 2004, 16:28 (Ref:944352)

You would also have the problem of the restart - unless you sent the green around the circuit in the same way the leaders would be racing before the back of the grid had crossed the line.

IIRC this actually happened during a race when the faster cars were MUCH faster than the back of the field, a train hadn't formed properly and the leader ended up passing cars that hadn't yet taken the green.

RMR · 28 Apr 2004, 10:42 (Ref:954432)

we were just discussing this in the single seater forum due to some issues at a couple of races this year. it seems the general opinion is that it is a good idea if people are educated enough to use the flag. it was new to many recently and when i was at combe we were given very detailed briefings about how to react. it worked fine, other circuits i raced didnt brief/or as well and it worked not so good. was the reason the flag was removed from service because the people upstairs didnt think it worked or something else?

im sure this flag is one of the best solutions and safest too if used properly.

StephenRae · 28 Apr 2004, 14:09 (Ref:954703)

RMR.. I agree 10%

StephenRae · 28 Apr 2004, 14:10 (Ref:954705)

That should have been 100%!!!

**Stephen Green** · 28 Apr 2004, 14:52 (Ref:954741)

I believe it was removed tobring the UK in line with other countries.

Flagman · 28 Apr 2004, 15:04 (Ref:954750)

Which seemed a bit of a lame excuse to me - seeing as it was only ever used for national level racing anyway - any overseas drivers racing at that level could have been made aware of the local regs.

Using the same logic - shouldn't they have also got rid of the Hazard Board as well - As far as I am aware no other country uses that either.

View Poll Results: Generally speaking, how do you feel about getting rid of the Black & Yeallow Flag
Very glad it's gone, it should never have been introduced	6	11.32%
Glad it's gone, but with reservations about the alternatives	4	7.55%
Sad it's gone, it's wasn't perfect but it had some uses	25	47.17%
Very sad it's gone, it was a superb way of handling a situation	18	33.96%
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