I/o Grade - Page 2

Andrew Hornsey · 26 Apr 2004, 11:39 (Ref:952089)

Have to agree with Nighthawk here. If the MSA put something in place, then surley the clubs should stick to it. It has also been said that the BARC did not adopt the Black/Yellow - why not, again it was in the Blue Book and should therefore have been included.

I must admit, I thought we had got away from the them and us that was around in the late 80's and early 90's, but this sort of thing does not help either training, or consistancy of marshalling. No wonder the black and yellow failed if it was not being used by all clubs.

Andrew Hornsey · 26 Apr 2004, 11:41 (Ref:952093)

Sorry, meant to add - this is not a dig at BARC, just a question. Perhaps someone should email them or phone them and ask the question outright - although I would suggest that it be a member.

**Stephen Green** · 26 Apr 2004, 20:24 (Ref:952729)

I can only reitterate that when I was an IO I was told that the Ass Observer was their equivalent.

Sheila M · 26 Apr 2004, 20:29 (Ref:952740)

I have a feeling that it's because BARC have their own grading scheme but I could be totally wrong on this.

**Stephen Green** · 26 Apr 2004, 20:47 (Ref:952765)

In fairness Sheila the MSA grading scheme should be the one adopted by all clubs as it is the MSA who licence us.

Nighthawk · 26 Apr 2004, 20:52 (Ref:952772)

Well i was just reading 1 of the BARC training manuals i got back in 1998, it states that Barc operate under the MSA grading Scheme

mark_l · 26 Apr 2004, 20:55 (Ref:952777)

Nighthawk,

If you read a current BARC training manual then you might find it is different.

Nighthawk · 26 Apr 2004, 21:40 (Ref:952857)

Yeh Ok point taken I have read an updated version now.
Shame I like BARC meetings But then again as was said early on who's bothered in the long run.It's not about grades or us and them.

Sheila M · 26 Apr 2004, 21:49 (Ref:952863)

Quote:

Originally posted by Nighthawk
Yeh Ok point taken I have read an updated version now.
Shame I like BARC meetings But then again as was said early on who's bothered in the long run.It's not about grades or us and them.

So, the point in your original post was ........ ?

Nighthawk · 26 Apr 2004, 23:01 (Ref:952932)

why does BARK have to be different.
The MSA grading scheme should be the one adopted by all clubs as it is the MSA who licence us.
that is the point

Nighthawk · 26 Apr 2004, 23:02 (Ref:952933)

ok my spelling getting bad late night.

sss · 27 Apr 2004, 03:57 (Ref:953075)

why do they have to adopt the MSA licensing system just because all other clubs do it. if they have a system that works for them, good for em, after all the MSA system is not perfect itself.

**Stephen Green** · 27 Apr 2004, 06:56 (Ref:953133)

The reason is that the MSA are the licencing body for drivers and marshals alike. If they were to do so (and any other clubs that run their own scheme) posts like this would be redundant.

SJC-214 · 28 Apr 2004, 23:01 (Ref:955225)

Quote:

Originally posted by MarshalGirl
I'm confused too!! I think this sounds a localised BARC issue as at Oulton Park we never have a problem (being an I/O myself) and doing the signing-on I never get told not to allocate I/O's!! Come to Oulton Park - we always welcome I/O's!!!

I'll second that Marshalgirl.

Apart from being a member of the BMMC, I am also a member of BRSCC and BARC and my usual duty is IO and I've never had a problem being allocated for that duty with either club.

The only time my IO grade is not recognised is at Donington and thats simply because I'm not a regular at Donington and they rightly or wrongly prefer to use IO's who are regulars and attend the Donington training days.

Sheila M · 29 Apr 2004, 13:31 (Ref:955770)

Quote:

Originally posted by SJC-214

The only time my IO grade is not recognised is at Donington and thats simply because I'm not a regular at Donington and they rightly or wrongly prefer to use IO's who are regulars and attend the Donington training days.

No - that's because you volunteer through the organising club and not through Donington ES Team. If you volunteered through the ES team as an IO you would be recognised as such.

Mark Mitchell · 29 Apr 2004, 15:14 (Ref:955839)

Why do we need IO's anyway?

It's just an excuse to not push cars, sweep the track, dress oil spills etc!

Save time and go straight for the Observer grade!!

You can get away with all of the above AND sit in your deckchair between (During) sessions!

SJC-214 · 29 Apr 2004, 21:20 (Ref:956119)

Quote:

Originally posted by Sheila M
No - that's because you volunteer through the organising club and not through Donington ES Team. If you volunteered through the ES team as an IO you would be recognised as such.

I'm afraid I must disagree with you on this one Sheila as I volunteered through Donington ES for about 3 years whilst been graded for IO and the one and only time I was actually allocated a post as IO was Dunlop bridge with one other Marshal.

SJC-214 · 29 Apr 2004, 21:22 (Ref:956123)

Quote:

Originally posted by observer
Why do we need IO's anyway?

It's just an excuse to not push cars, sweep the track, dress oil spills etc!

Save time and go straight for the Observer grade!!

You can get away with all of the above AND sit in your deckchair between (During) sessions!

Mark I am not even going justify that with a reply. I have however made a mental note of it and will remind you off it the next time I am your IO

Sheila M · 29 Apr 2004, 21:47 (Ref:956151)

Quote:

Originally posted by SJC-214
I'm afraid I must disagree with you on this one Sheila as I volunteered through Donington ES for about 3 years whilst been graded for IO and the one and only time I was actually allocated a post as IO was Dunlop bridge with one other Marshal.

So what had you done wrong that year then?

My husband has been an IO with the ES team for over 10 years and STILL gets Dunlop Bridge!

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