Super5000 Series Is Go??

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

But that could be a little boring with a flat race track. Elevation change often makes things more interesting...

They have elevation changes at a flat track like Queensland Raceway. They call them bumps in the braking zones

[spook]

The bumps in the braking areas have seen no mention from drivers since the track resurfacing many years ago - but some people just can't move on it seems.

As long as Supercars need State Govt "support" to run the Townsville and Gold Coast Street Events, there will never be funds available for grass roots motorsport.

All sports have "allocations" - our sport just chooses to spend it's allocation on street circuits & not permanent venues - simples !.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by spook

All sports have "allocations" - our sport just chooses to spend it's allocation on street circuits & not permanent venues - simples !.

People keep bringing up the AFL as one example, I wish they wouldn't:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/afl...b51c85d1bd330d

AFL clubs massively abusing their status as non-profit, pocketing tens of millions of grants from the Government while taking hundreds of millions of dollars from the pockets of those who can least afford it...

[spook]

Useful ink if you are a subscriber to The Herald..........

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by spook

Useful ink if you are a subscriber to The Herald..........

Use incognito mode

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[Woolley]

Speaking of nice looking F5000 cars, we're privileged to see this mighty beast hill climbing on a regular basis. Sounds as good as it looks:

[Axeman444]

"Chris (Lambden) has every opportunity to run with us,” - James Warburton.
http://www.speedcafe.com/2017/06/21/...er5000-series/

Well i guess that means Supercars has quite a bit to do with Super5000...

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

"Chris (Lambden) has every opportunity to run with us,” - James Warburton.
http://www.speedcafe.com/2017/06/21/...er5000-series/

Well i guess that means Supercars has quite a bit to do with Super5000...

Weird conclusion, Not sure how you got there. but ok

how about this one by James

“It’s certainly generated an enormous amount of publicity, so I think there’s quite a bit of interest filtering in, which is obviously being managed by the people that are potentially running the category,” Warburton told Speedcafe.com.

[Mixer]

More to the point:

Supercars teams are continuing to distance themselves from the controversial Super5000 series following the official unveil of the new single seater.

“I still think it is a complete and utter waste of time and a distraction for Supercars, which is unnecessary,” Dane, who was prepared to go on the record with his views, told Speedcafe.com.

Sounds like Dane is happy to go on the record, while other team owners are just as unhappy but not willing to go public. RD certainly not mincing his words.

That said, given the backers and the history, running it at the Wilson sponsored Retro round @ Sandown is a good fit.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Weird conclusion, Not sure how you got there. but ok

I believe he is citing James use of the word "us".

Interesting that Warburton's view is that Chris Lambden should just run with Super5000.

Mixer - I think what is clear is that there is separation between the Supercars teams and the Supercars organisation when it comes to Super5000

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

I believe he is citing James use of the word "us".

Interesting that Warburton's view is that Chris Lambden should just run with Super5000.

The quote could just as easily mean that Chris Lambden could run as a support with "us" meaning the VASC series. The quote is quite general and could mean at least a couple of things - too ambiguous to draw any firm conclusions from it.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Tourer

The quote could just as easily mean that Chris Lambden could run as a support with "us" meaning the VASC series. The quote is quite general and could mean at least a couple of things - too ambiguous to draw any firm conclusions from it.

That was my interpretation also, but I fail to see how a reference to Chris Lambden confirms that Supercars has quite a bit to do with Super5000. I fail to see any link to that in that quote

[Compromised]

If there's no link, one wonders why Dane would come out against it....being that there's no link...the need to publicize your opinion is odd...given there's no link

[Axeman444]

Anyone who thinks the massive similarity between the Supercars device/logo and the Super5000 device/logo is pure coincidence and fails to see the obvious link is delusional.

Warbs may be good and dancing around answering the truth, but RD saying what he has said also points to the bed partnering

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Compromised

If there's no link, one wonders why Dane would come out against it....being that there's no link...the need to publicize your opinion is odd...given there's no link

there is a link, we know that they are using Supercars intellectual property expecially motors. and we know that if it was to happen it will be run at supercars events.

But Supercars are not the promoter or creator of this category, That appears to be a combination of a couple of supercars supporters (through PAYCE/Wilson and Oscar

[chavez]

Originally Posted by peckstar

there is a link, we know that they are using Supercars intellectual property expecially motors. and we know that if it was to happen it will be run at supercars events.

But Supercars are not the promoter or creator of this category, That appears to be a combination of a couple of supercars supporters (through PAYCE/Wilson and Oscar

But Supercars are devoting enough time and energy to be a concern to Dane.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by chavez

But Supercars are devoting enough time and energy to be a concern to Dane.

Are they? Or are the media and Supercars & Dane just happening to be answering.

Its seems reasonable clear the board (which includes Dane) shut down this idea as A Supercars thing a year ago,

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

Anyone who thinks the massive similarity between the Supercars device/logo and the Super5000 device/logo is pure coincidence and fails to see the obvious link is delusional.

Warbs may be good and dancing around answering the truth, but RD saying what he has said also points to the bed partnering

The logo is clearly not a coincidence, No one would say that. There is a link, no one would deny that either.

[Oldtony]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Its seems reasonable clear the board (which includes Dane) shut down this idea as A Supercars thing a year ago,

If that is the case Mr. Dane is putting his, and the tunnel vision part of Supercar, in front of the long term survival of racing.
If V8SA becomes a V6 Turbo silhouette series they are going to want something loud and unpredictable on the program

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Oldtony

If that is the case Mr. Dane is putting his, and the tunnel vision part of Supercar, in front of the long term survival of racing.
If V8SA becomes a V6 Turbo silhouette series they are going to want something loud and unpredictable on the program

Is this category(s) it though

I really dont think that in this time and age there is room for Australia to go it alone on an open wheeler category. The interest is not that high in demand for open wheelers, F4 has shown that and it is cheaper than these cars will be. Why not import some ready made item from OS, save the development costs.

[Oldtony]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Why not import some ready made item from OS, save the development costs.

Because that is exactly the reason it would fail. Oz fans have always had a preference for something that is (or could be labelled) home grown and unique.
That is one of the underlying reasons that V8SC came into existence. The fans said they didn't want a series dominaterd by imports.
My only worry about F5000 is that it could become something of a spec series and that we will just have one builder rather than a number of competitive local builders.
That by the way is one of the reasons for the disaster that is F4.

[Jam3s]

F4 is a disaster because there's better alternatives in places like Asia for Aussie teenagers to race open wheelers. They race on better circuits (some of which are current F1 circuits), have larger grids, have close links to larger categories where champions get invites, support series which are more relevant to their long term goals such as Asian Le Mans and race with teams who also compete in top level categories such as WEC.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

there is a link, we know that they are using Supercars intellectual property expecially motors.

Surely the likes of General Motors, Ford and Nissan own the Intellectual Property of the motors?

Originally Posted by peckstar

But Supercars are not the promoter or creator of this category, That appears to be a combination of a couple of supercars supporters (through PAYCE/Wilson and Oscar

If they hold Category Management Rights, as Supercars have stated they do, doesn't that make them the promoter?

Originally Posted by peckstar

I really dont think that in this time and age there is room for Australia to go it alone on an open wheeler category.

Why not?

You amongst others constantly tell us how much better off Australian motorsport is these days compared to the past. What better time then to do some open-wheel racing, especially under the expert guidance of Supercars running on their support program?

Originally Posted by peckstar

Why not import some ready made item from OS, save the development costs..

Because importing open-wheelers for Australia doesn't work (outside of Formula Ford).
Look at how Formula Pacific did, or Formula 3, or Formula 4 now

F5000 was an International formula but had tonnes of local content with Australian built chassis and engines and was sucessful here for a while. The most successful open-wheel series since in Australia was Formula Holden, and while most of the chassis were imported, there were more than a few Aussie built cars and we had locally developed engines in them too

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Why not import some ready made item from OS, save the development costs.

I would highly recommend picking up some used Formula 3.5 V8 cars.

500hp V8 - tick
Fast and loud - tick
Cheap(ish) - tick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQU121Y7Z3I

They might even be able to get some branding support from Renault, Nissan or Infiniti.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by one five five

F5000 was an International formula but had tonnes of local content with Australian built chassis and engines and was sucessful here for a while. The most successful open-wheel series since in Australia was Formula Holden, and while most of the chassis were imported, there were more than a few Aussie built cars and we had locally developed engines in them too

I think given the changes in construction methods and resources required make building a local car to the performance and safety standards required basically impossible now, sadly.

I had a hand in building some FHolden engines while i was apprenticing to motor sport royalty!