GTD/FIAGT3 Cars 2014

[pederb]

I'm trying to put together a list of GTD/FIAGT3 cars for USCR 2014.

So far we have for the 2014 season

Ferrari 458
Audi R8
Aston Martin Vantage
SRT Viper GT3
Porsche Cup GT3
AMG SLS GT3

But what about;


BMW Z4 GT3
McLaren MP4-12C
Nissan GT-R GT3
Lamborghini Gallardo GT3
Chevrolet Camaro GT3
Bentley Continental GT3
Chevrolet Corvette GT3

GTD could be a very diverse class in 2014

[Speed-King]

Also the Lotus Evora and the Mazda 6s from GX.

[pederb]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Also the Lotus Evora and the Mazda 6s from GX.

yea but they are not FIAGT3 cars but you are right

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by pederb

yea but they are not FIAGT3 cars but you are right

Neither is the next GTD-spec Porsche or the Ferrari.

[pederb]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Neither is the next GTD-spec Porsche or the Ferrari.

Think the 458 started it's life as FIAGT3 and was modified to GA spec but I could be wrong, but are right about the Porsche.

[Starfish Primer]

What is the cost difference between the FIA GT3 and the Porsche Cup GT3?

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by Starfish Primer

What is the cost difference between the FIA GT3 and the Porsche Cup GT3?

€200,000, basically.

[Starfish Primer]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

€200,000, basically.

Thanks! So why choose a McLaren or a R8 when you can have the same performance at lower cost with a 911 Cup?

[urdragon]

Originally Posted by Starfish Primer

Thanks! So why choose a McLaren or a R8 when you can have the same performance at lower cost with a 911 Cup?

Epic BoP!.

The fact is they coexisted with the GT3 in BES 2010 but where uncompetitive.

[Beetle]

Originally Posted by Starfish Primer

Thanks! So why choose a McLaren or a R8 when you can have the same performance at lower cost with a 911 Cup?

Because the Audi R8 sounds and looks better...

[WolfsburgRS]

Keeping in mind in all this is that a GT3 Cup and an FIA spec GT3R are totally different cars really. GTD is supposed to have the GT3 Cup as it's benchmark, but the GT3 Cup is nothing near or close to the GT3R, which is the FIA GT3 spec version of the 911. (The GT3 RSR is the GTE version)

So basically the 'true' FIA GT3 cars (R8, AMG, etc) are all dumbed down to much lower levels of performance (the Gt3 Cup benchmark) in the GTD class. If USRC were to make it a true Gt3 class the GT3R would need to be an option rather than a cup car, but at that point they're stepping on the toes of the GTE machines pace-wise, budgets go up (I would guess) and at some tracks the GT3 cars would likely be faster. (more horsepower but less aero would suit Daytona I would guess)

[BullMan]

Originally Posted by WolfsburgRS

Keeping in mind in all this is that a GT3 Cup and an FIA spec GT3R are totally different cars really. GTD is supposed to have the GT3 Cup as it's benchmark, but the GT3 Cup is nothing near or close to the GT3R, which is the FIA GT3 spec version of the 911. (The GT3 RSR is the GTE version)

So basically the 'true' FIA GT3 cars (R8, AMG, etc) are all dumbed down to MUCH lower levels of performance (the Gt3 Cup benchmark) in the GTD class. If USRC were to make it a true Gt3 class the GT3R would need to be an option rather than a cup car, but at that point they're stepping on the toes of the GTE machines pace-wise, budgets go up (I would guess) and at some tracks the GT3 cars would likely be faster. (more horsepower but less aero would suit Daytona I would guess)

The lower GT class will have the stupid 911 GT America as its benchmark, not a 911 Cup car.

[WolfsburgRS]

Originally Posted by BullMan

The lower GT class will have the stupid 911 GT America as its benchmark, not a 911 Cup car.

Quite true... Not sure on the differences there, but I'm sure it's something.

[TF110]

If GT3 were mostly amatuer drivers they would be slower than GTE. ELMS works decently with the two classes.

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by WolfsburgRS

Keeping in mind in all this is that a GT3 Cup and an FIA spec GT3R are totally different cars really. GTD is supposed to have the GT3 Cup as it's benchmark, but the GT3 Cup is nothing near or close to the GT3R, which is the FIA GT3 spec version of the 911. (The GT3 RSR is the GTE version)

So basically the 'true' FIA GT3 cars (R8, AMG, etc) are all dumbed down to much lower levels of performance (the Gt3 Cup benchmark) in the GTD class. If USRC were to make it a true Gt3 class the GT3R would need to be an option rather than a cup car, but at that point they're stepping on the toes of the GTE machines pace-wise, budgets go up (I would guess) and at some tracks the GT3 cars would likely be faster. (more horsepower but less aero would suit Daytona I would guess)

Well... the 997.1 GT3 Cup was the original benchmark of FIA GT3 as well, and while the FIA GT3 cars have evolved quite a bit since, so has the Porsche Cup car, going first to the 997.2-spec and now to the 991, which will get an additional performance increase in GTD with the GT-America upgrades package.

Will it be as fast as a full-on FIA GT3 car in 2013 spec? No, but I don't think it'll be terribly far behind and it gives all those teams that don't want to shell out for a full GT3 a good option to race in the series on a reasonable budget.

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by TF110

If GT3 were mostly amatuer drivers they would be slower than GTE. ELMS works decently with the two classes.

The GT3s in ELMS (and GT-Open) are slowed down compared to what they run in e.g. Blancpain.

[avvelenamento]

True for 2011-2012 BES seasons, this year SRO adopted a simil FIA bop + pirelli facepalm compound = 2013 BES GT3 slowed down as well.

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by avvelenamento

True for 2011-2012 BES seasons, this year SRO adopted a simil FIA bop + pirelli facepalm compound = 2013 BES GT3 slowed down as well.

Yes, but the GT3 cars in ELMS also run 20kg (for 2011-spec cars) or 40kg (for newer cars) heavier than their homologated base weight.

http://www.europeanlemansseries.com/...tc-bop-v04.pdf

[avvelenamento]

Yeah, I know, ELMS GT class is a pro-am class, GT3 have been slowed down to don't let GT3 finish ahead GTE. If I remember well also fuel tank of GT3 have been aggressively boppized.

[urdragon]

Originally Posted by TF110

If GT3 were mostly amatuer drivers they would be slower than GTE. ELMS works decently with the two classes.

Just wait till Peter Kox has a bit of luck.

[WolfsburgRS]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Well... the 997.1 GT3 Cup was the original benchmark of FIA GT3 as well, and while the FIA GT3 cars have evolved quite a bit since, so has the Porsche Cup car, going first to the 997.2-spec and now to the 991, which will get an additional performance increase in GTD with the GT-America upgrades package.

Will it be as fast as a full-on FIA GT3 car in 2013 spec? No, but I don't think it'll be terribly far behind and it gives all those teams that don't want to shell out for a full GT3 a good option to race in the series on a reasonable budget.

Right, but while the rest of the GT3 world went to the GT3R for Porsche in GT3 classes, Grand Am teams were running a modified GT3 Cup car, which is not a GT3R by a long shot as far as aero goes. That's more my point. Ergo everything has to be dumbed down, aero wise, for GTD.

[BullMan]

Originally Posted by WolfsburgRS

Right, but while the rest of the GT3 world went to the GT3R for Porsche in GT3 classes, Grand Am teams were running a modified GT3 Cup car, which is not a GT3R by a long shot as far as aero goes. That's more my point. Ergo everything has to be dumbed down, aero wise, for GTD.

Somehow they failed to learn and did it again with the new series. It's mind boggling.

[Brownj]

Originally Posted by BullMan

Somehow they failed to learn and did it again with the new series. It's mind boggling.

^ This

[TF110]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

The GT3s in ELMS (and GT-Open) are slowed down compared to what they run in e.g. Blancpain.

They dont have to be slowed down, those Continental tires will take care of that

[Beetle]

Originally Posted by WolfsburgRS

Right, but while the rest of the GT3 world went to the GT3R for Porsche in GT3 classes, Grand Am teams were running a modified GT3 Cup car, which is not a GT3R by a long shot as far as aero goes. That's more my point. Ergo everything has to be dumbed down, aero wise, for GTD.

Maybe it was a strategic way to try and attract teams from IMSA GT3 Challenge North America and the Pirelli WC?

Whatever the case, it failed...