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Old 13 Dec 2016, 09:10 (Ref:3695733)   #26
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I'd actually like to see a series of short races, in a kind of knock-out format.

10 minute races for the heats, 15mins for the final.

Starting positions in the first round, detirmined by an all-in 15min quali. Split them up into say, 4 groups. Maybe add in a few willing DVS cars, to even the numbers out. Perhaps 8 cars per group. Group 1 vs 3, 2 vs 4.

Top 4 from each group advance to the next round. Starting order from then on, detirmined by their fastest lap in the previous race. Top 4 from round 2 go into the final race.

Soft tyres for the whole event. New softs for the final.
Love it, reminds me of speedway.

Sydney has been a disappointment for Supercars so I can definitely see where they're coming from. May as well try something at this point.
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Old 13 Dec 2016, 09:20 (Ref:3695740)   #27
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I wouldn't make it a regular thing. Maybe a once-a-year non-championship event.
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Old 13 Dec 2016, 22:39 (Ref:3695977)   #28
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I wouldn't make it a regular thing. Maybe a once-a-year non-championship event.

Why not trial it at the official "launch" at SMP.

That way you get to see the new teams / cars / liveries and then a bit of circuit action for the fans along with a test for the new cars/teams and drivers
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Old 13 Dec 2016, 22:51 (Ref:3695983)   #29
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Sounds good to me.
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Do they still do a launch at SMP?
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Old 14 Dec 2016, 05:00 (Ref:3696026)   #31
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While the speedway format sounds good in theory, it doesn't really apply so well to circuit racing does it?

Especially for fans, part of the magic of a speedway meeting is you can see the whole track from the one seat.

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Why not trial it at the official "launch" at SMP.

That way you get to see the new teams / cars / liveries and then a bit of circuit action for the fans along with a test for the new cars/teams and drivers
They did away with the official test day launch after the farcical 2015 happening
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Old 15 Dec 2016, 06:56 (Ref:3696329)   #32
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While the speedway format sounds good in theory, it doesn't really apply so well to circuit racing does it?
The ARDC did a pretty good job of adapting a Speedway style format concept to a traditional racing circuit for many years with the AMSCAR Series at Amaroo

Live TV helped, with plenty of short sharp races packed into a 3hr TV window, including all the main touring car heats.
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Old 15 Dec 2016, 08:34 (Ref:3696343)   #33
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Yeah this would have to be more of a tv focused kind of thing, which isn't exactly a bad thing - recent history shows poor crowds at EC anyway, plus if it's popular big tv ratings would still bring in $$$$.

Look how far away from tradition big bash is. Maybe that's what's required for Supercars to unlock Sydney. Maybe like a state of origin?
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Old 15 Dec 2016, 08:37 (Ref:3696344)   #34
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A compacted schedule works well for the crowds too.

No supports, just a tight program with as little downtime as possible.
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Old 15 Dec 2016, 11:19 (Ref:3696376)   #35
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Could a tight schedule like this be the perfect place to run super soft tyre?
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Old 16 Dec 2016, 05:30 (Ref:3696579)   #36
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As SMP seems to be the popular choice for this format, would the best idea be to run it on the short track?

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Could a tight schedule like this be the perfect place to run super soft tyre?
Agree completely
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Old 16 Dec 2016, 06:45 (Ref:3696586)   #37
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Could it work on the new south circuit, taking into consideration the actual racing, crowds, etc?
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Old 16 Dec 2016, 10:55 (Ref:3696610)   #38
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Could it work on the new south circuit, taking into consideration the actual racing, crowds, etc?
The short circuit version of the original layout when it has been used has seen some pretty processional racing and has found little favour with competitors or spectators.Many of the better parts of the track are either bypassed entirely or used in a slower ,modified form.Last time it was used for a major meeting was the final third of the 2014 Muscle Car Masters.
The south circuit is tight,slow and really not suitable to anything resembling racing.It is one of the worst pieces of track designs ever and a largely wasted and mostly unused spend of millions of dollars.
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The short circuit version of the original layout when it has been used has seen some pretty processional racing and has found little favour with competitors or spectators.Many of the better parts of the track are either bypassed entirely or used in a slower ,modified form.Last time it was used for a major meeting was the final third of the 2014 Muscle Car Masters.
The south circuit is tight,slow and really not suitable to anything resembling racing.It is one of the worst pieces of track designs ever and a largely wasted and mostly unused spend of millions of dollars.
Get Bernie E inspired sprinklers installed to turn on at a random point in the race.
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A heats and features format would be really fun.

Twin 10 lap qualifying heats that set each strip of the grid from say, 5th back. Spots 1-4 settled in a five lap dash. Twin 20 lap feature races with a random inversion pulled from a hat or something. Have 2 support races between the two main events with the second race fully under the lights.
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A heats and features format would be really fun.

Twin 10 lap qualifying heats that set each strip of the grid from say, 5th back. Spots 1-4 settled in a five lap dash. Twin 20 lap feature races with a random inversion pulled from a hat or something. Have 2 support races between the two main events with the second race fully under the lights.
I love the sound of this

Given what was said after Pukekohe though, would the "racing" be any good without any pitstops?
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Old 21 Dec 2016, 00:18 (Ref:3697483)   #42
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Could we try success ballast?
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I love the sound of this

Given what was said after Pukekohe though, would the "racing" be any good without any pitstops?
With soft tires and a big payday...you bet.
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I love the sound of this

Given what was said after Pukekohe though, would the "racing" be any good without any pitstops?
Correct.Remember how processional most of the short,no pit stop races were in 2015.How soon people forget.
Tyre deg is not going to happen in these short races and Matt what is this big payday you speak of?
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Novelty-sized checques?
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Old 21 Dec 2016, 17:24 (Ref:3697655)   #46
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peter jackson dash for cash. starting positions pulled from a hat. 20 min feature races.... all been done before, group A late 80s early 90s.... it was a fail. outcomes largely determined by starting position, bugger all overtaking and over before you've finished your beer..
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Correct.Remember how processional most of the short,no pit stop races were in 2015.How soon people forget.
Tyre deg is not going to happen in these short races and Matt what is this big payday you speak of?
Well, if it's gonna be a special event, gotta boost the spectacle. $20,000 to win pole, $75,000 to win each feature event.

Ease up on the contact rules(no purposefully wrecking someone though) and you'll have a perfect one day show.

Contact rules kinda would work how they do at our local track, if you dump someone, or cause them to wreck/spin in the last few laps(basically wrecking them for the money), you're thrown out and get no money.
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If Supercars want to get some traction in Sydney in a "Big Bash" style format along the lines of Speedway....why not put them on the Clay at Valvoline Raceway over summer?
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