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Old 19 Dec 2013, 15:21 (Ref:3345947)   #16
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It has been said long ago that the rollout is in early January.
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Old 19 Dec 2013, 19:54 (Ref:3346060)   #17
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I'll go to Le Mans in June hoping for a Toyota victory again. I won't go there expecting one.

The lateness of the programme again is a concern. I don't see the later unveil as clever tactics - ideally they'd be out there testing.
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Old 19 Dec 2013, 20:33 (Ref:3346074)   #18
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Reading the recent posts in the R18 thread about the complexity of the Audi hybrid systems makes me wonder if the relative simplicity of the Toyota system might play to their advantage over the course of the season.

Audi being Audi and Porsche being Porsche I'm sure their hybrid tech will be well designed and tested but so much of it is so new that there will surely be some gremlins creeping in. These new regs must be the biggest tech shake up since, erm, some time ago.
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Old 19 Dec 2013, 21:13 (Ref:3346100)   #19
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Audi being Audi and Porsche being Porsche I'm sure their hybrid tech will be well designed and tested but so much of it is so new that there will surely be some gremlins creeping in.
Rumour has it that a Porsche 919 burnt down during testing, so there's your Gremlins (Mogwai) ! Don't feed them after midnight!
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Old 20 Dec 2013, 09:51 (Ref:3346248)   #21
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Sorry if I confused anyone. I thought the unveiling of the car was January. Thats the testing schedule. The unveiling should be the 'final car' so they can take part in the official tests and present their package to the rule makers.
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Old 20 Dec 2013, 12:33 (Ref:3346274)   #22
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If they nail the aero, it will be The Winner! Aero is going to be almost as key as all the new energy management, as aero plays huge role when it comes to efficiency. The new Audi and the Porsche do not strike with anything radically new for aero efficiency, which could be of great importance if Toyota pulls out some out of the box thinking and comes up with a car that is significantly more aero efficient. I hope they do something dramatically different, it will be so interesting to see what's coming.
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I wouldn't disagree with that. TMG are more aero-minded from their F1 days in their opinion.

That said, the R18 and especially the 919 are very basic test cars. If either Audi or Porsche have a trick - or tricks - up their sleeves, they're unlikely to show them yet.
All interesting points. Yes it is true that Toyota in their F1 days had excellent aero on some of their F1 cars. So much so, that Ferrari directly poached some of Toyota's aero ideas from the TF109 and the never-released TF110 after Toyota exited F1, which directly helped Ferrari's aero.

The chances are good for some innovative aero to be used. Toyota in F1 had used a variety of innovative aero designs on their cars over the years.

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Looks like Toyota plans to keep their cards close to their chest by not revealing the car until March.

Smart move, if it works out. It probably won't, even Porsche couldn't keep spy shots from appearing.
How do you know the Porsche shots weren't "unofficially" leaked out on purpose?

Toyota is a master of secrecy. If they use all their willpower to prevent any leaks, then believe me, you will not see a single leak. If however Toyota "lets" some leaks occur, then certainly spy shots will leak out.

By that, I mean Toyota is well aware of on which race tracks is it physically and practically possible to take spy shots. They will only test on such race tracks once they are ready for the possibility of leaked shots to come out.

Otherwise they'd be doing most of their track testing on secretive private tracks, like the Fuji track they own themselves, or the numerous top secret private test tracks they own in Japan. On those tracks it is physically impossible to get any spy shots without triggering alarms and security personnel.

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It has been said long ago that the rollout is in early January.
Yes, I believe this was mentioned before. However "rollout" and "official unveil" may be 2 different things. The "rollout" could be the unofficial testing rollout, and we may not see official images of the final car until March.
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How do you know the Porsche shots weren't "unofficially" leaked out on purpose?
Which "the"? The very first ones were official press shots, taken from the first shakedown. The few spy shots (& vids) since have been so bad quality and taken so far that they can only be legit spy shots.

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I seriously doubt trip to Japan (remember, TMG is in Cologne) is worth it just to avoid a few eager photographers.

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Toyota have formally confirmed that the first roll-out of the new car is still due to take place in January 2014:
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@Toyota_Hybrid: @MyNameIsNigel yes, that's right
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Old 10 Jan 2014, 10:41 (Ref:3352350)   #25
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Toyota will exhibit 2014 WEC car (TS040?) in Toyota motor sports fan meeting on Jan 30 at Odaiba mega web
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Toyota will exhibit 2014 WEC car (TS040?) in Toyota motor sports fan meeting on Jan 30 at Odaiba mega web
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Finally the last big puzzle for 2014 will show up!

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BTW, are they still going to use the TS030 this year? It would make sense to run that over the new car in 2013.
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BTW, are they still going to use the TS030 this year? It would make sense to run that over the new car in 2013.
TS030 is no longer legal this year.
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TS030 is no longer legal this year.
Grandfathering rules? But real question would be why.
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Grandfathering rules? But real question would be why.
There is no good reason to run a ts030. I really doubt the ACO would like to see a manufacturer running a old car just to save money. Especially with 2 manufacturers committing to new machinery. They would get balanced so they don't stand a chance i'd imagine.
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