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Old 1 Jun 2017, 22:56 (Ref:3738019)   #31
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I could handle a 10 am start at Silverstone for an 8 hour race. It would save me having to watch 7 cars in a support race (good though they sounded....)
Agreed 8 hours of silverstone would be perfect
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Old 4 Jun 2017, 09:51 (Ref:3738483)   #32
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I could handle a 10 am start at Silverstone for an 8 hour race. It would save me having to watch 7 cars in a support race (good though they sounded....)
Or keep the 12:00 start and run them into the dark at the end

For a decent support race they should bring back CER!
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Old 4 Jun 2017, 10:15 (Ref:3738492)   #33
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Yep, I always enjoyed the CER support.......
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Old 8 Jun 2017, 17:02 (Ref:3739494)   #34
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Kuwait could play host to the FIA World Endurance Championship as early as next year, with the new Hermann Tilke-designed FIA Grade 1 venue reportedly in the running to potentially replace Bahrain on the 2018 calendar.

Well, okay if it replaces Bahrain.

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Old 8 Jun 2017, 18:45 (Ref:3739508)   #35
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If it's in place of Bahrain, that'd be fine if they feel they have to run in the Mid-East. I'm guessing it pays (literally) to feature a race there. That may help in keeping the series alive.
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Old 8 Jun 2017, 18:56 (Ref:3739509)   #36
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Well that looks like it's completely full character. I'm sure it'll be beautifully unique and loved by the strong motorsport community.
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Old 8 Jun 2017, 19:13 (Ref:3739516)   #37
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Well that looks like it's completely full character. I'm sure it'll be beautifully unique and loved by the strong motorsport community.
People might not like the area, but Mid-East is still a big market. It's not a historic one in Europe or America, but the track at least has less right angles than Bahrain and turns 3-7 look interesting.
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Could well be a big market. Still doesn't make it any more interesting to anybody but the oil rich bond villain who is paying for it as a vanity project.
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Could well be a big market. Still doesn't make it any more interesting to anybody but the oil rich bond villain who is paying for it as a vanity project.
A race is a race. If it's put on and the race is good, it could be in a parking lot, but was still worth watching imo. This is a world championship, so going to that part of the world- the middle east- where over 400 million people live I think is justified. It probably doesn't hurt if they're getting paid by Kuwait either
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Well, when you're watching it on TV I don't think it matters what region of the world it's in (unless the time zones mess with it). Remember Kuwait only has a population of about 4 million - making it less than London, or Scotland.

I don't care that it's in the middle east, I just think the track is a big pile of steaming...vanity nonsense. If they transplanted this into France, it'd be the same thing. Similarly, if they dropped Spa into Iran, it'd still be epic.

So to get around the fact that the track is as dull as a school play, they'll put it at night, pay to be the final round so it's a championship decider and put on some fireworks at the hotel, and everyone will have a huge party they can't drink alcohol at. It isn't exactly bringing anything new to the table.

The ACO should also learn from the mistakes of relying on big single incomes like this. We all listen to MWM and read the articles - we're all aware of the financial blow that the ACO took when Audi left. It proved it wasn't wise to rely on all of the money that Audi threw at the event. All it'll take is for a barrel of oil to be worth less than bottled water (again), and suddenly that income is away too. It seems like an easy source of income, but a very very unstable and unreliable one.

I'm sure it'll be amazing, and have a confirmed crowd of 55,000 though.
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How do you know what the track is like when they've just broken ground on it recently? You're not going to be getting classic layouts like Spa anymore so I don't get the negativity surrounding these new tracks. I see a lot of cheap shots and assumptions in your post, so I think it's better we not even talk about that in particular. Arguing over a track in Kuwait isn't fun. I'm willing to give it a chance if it comes and I'd hope for everyone else to do the same. Bahrain's deal is up at the end of this year, and if Kuwait has money to give to the wec for a 3-year deal, it's only good for the series to take it up. There's always ELMS for those who only like those tracks. Maybe Monza takes a spot on the calendar as well?
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How do you know what the track is like when they've just broken ground on it recently?
How do we know what a modern Tilke track will be like? How do we know what a modern Tilke track will be like in the middle east? I know you're being optimistic, and perhaps rightly not condemning something before it's built, but come on man. That's why like asking "How do you know Ferrari will paint the next F1 car red?"

As I said, I think it's unwise going to the middle east and easy money and I don't see it having a long term place on the calendar. It might be a big market, but is it really a big market for Toyota? Or Peugeot? Porsche fair enough, even Audi. But I can't see the general wealthy population driving Peugeots to the circuit.
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As I said, I think it's unwise going to the middle east and easy money and I don't see it having a long term place on the calendar. It might be a big market, but is it really a big market for Toyota? Or Peugeot? Porsche fair enough, even Audi. But I can't see the general wealthy population driving Peugeots to the circuit.
Probably not an important market for normal passenger cars (maybe pickup trucks?), but certainly for sports and luxury cars:

https://static.seekingalpha.com/uplo...yBreakdown.jpg

http://flatsixes.com/wp-content/uplo...sales-2015.jpg (lumped together with Asia (minus China) and Africa, but I would expect a similar split to Ferrari)
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Probably not an important market for normal passenger cars (maybe pickup trucks?), but certainly for sports and luxury cars:

https://static.seekingalpha.com/uplo...yBreakdown.jpg

http://flatsixes.com/wp-content/uplo...sales-2015.jpg (lumped together with Asia (minus China) and Africa, but I would expect a similar split to Ferrari)
Yeah, that's basically my point. Porsche will love it. Nobody there is driving a Toyota Prius of a Peugeot 1007 though. None of the LMP2 or GTE-Am class will care. So is WEC considering it because it's a big market...or because it's going to make some easy money out of it? I think we all know the answer to that one.
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Could be both? What's wrong with easy money?
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