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14 Aug 2013, 09:32 (Ref:3289590) | #1 | ||
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Any series likely for earlier F3000 cars?
I have been away from the scene for a while with work commitments. I have a 1991 Lola T91/50 F3000 (ex Heinz-Harald Frentzen Camel sponsored car) with an unrun fully Engine Developments rebuilt, straight off the ED dyno Mugen in it. Are there likely to be any series for it in the UK in the offing? Elsewhere? Thanks.
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14 Aug 2013, 11:43 (Ref:3289650) | #2 | |
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You could probably run it in hillclimbs, and the higher classes. Nice car!
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14 Aug 2013, 11:52 (Ref:3289658) | #3 | ||
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I think the only series at present for this would be the BOSS (Big Open Single Seater) Series, mostly racing in Europe. I think there are already some old F3000 cars racing including some from the same age as yours.
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You could always enter the Libre race at the Walter Hayes at Silverstone. We have run our F5000 there (and will again this year if we can finish the rebuild in time!) and Chris Woodcock runs his F1-engined F3000.
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The Woodcock tribe were very helpful and supportive, and the car was driven very enthusiastically last time I saw them at Donington. The car's tub is still in bare carbon awaiting my decision to sell or use. Now, where's that lottery ticket, I must take it to the newsagents, *SURELY* this one is a winner
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HI
I am racing the XL formula trophy with my Reynard 95D (Ex Kenny Brack) with the Holden engine We have 2 F1, Indy car, 3 GP2, 1 A1GP, 2 WS 3.5L, 5 F3000 Zyteck and for the time being my 95D Holden not too bad for a first year ! we expect more in 2014 See www.XLformula.org FYI I wrote a short article on why I choos the holden engine despite it's low 350 HP http://www.xlformula.org/app/downloa..._XLFormula.pdf Next races Paul Ricard 30/08 Magny Cours 15/10 do not hesitate to get in touch with me if I can help Regards Patrick Morrissey pmorrissey@sfr.fr |
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This along with Irish Libre sounds a much better plan> The poster is getting confused between Gary and Michael Woodcock and Chris Woodhouse. Chris Woodhouse has 2 Ex Dams/Superpower Lola T90/50s he runs one with a DFR, a really nice/decent chap who is always helpful PM me as I have his number.
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Sorry! Was being a muppet! Of course I meant Chris WOODHOUSE!
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Interesting thread!
We were having a discussion last week about which single-seater we'd like to have alongside the sports cars we run. F3000, from the early days, came out as top choice. However, when you go looking for one, they're like hen's teeth! We're only interested in the pre-carbon fibre era cars, so March or Lola chassis with a soft-tune DFV would be favourite. Anybody out there know where we might find one.......? |
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Don't forget, the initial cars were ex Formula 1 Chassis. IIRC there were Tyrrels and Marches.
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Dermot Healy sometimes has F3000s for sale - try him, he may be able to source something. I know he has had a few cars pass through his hands, which I think have been sold on to South Africa. And he certainly has a few F3000 spares available at the moment. It would be great to see a "historic" F3000 series develop. |
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The early cars fell into two distinct groups. There was a team run by ex-Fittipaldi F1 manager, Peter Mackintosh which used new FW08 Williams chassis, as well as a team using Tyrells. March, being March, and being smart, elected to use an adapted F2 chassis. History clearly shows who took the right approach. The F1 cars were too heavy, not designed around the smaller tyres, and had too much aero for the available power. March, throughout its history, was very adept at upgrading cars to a higher performance category, especially in the mid-1970's. The first F3000 was a perfect example of this philosophy, i.e. small, light, simple, fast. No wonder it cleaned up. Lola's later effort was equally well resolved. Where the formula lost its way (IMO) was when the first carbon cars appeared and costs escalated. The spec formula solution, although highly competitive, was of little interest from a technical standpoint, so my interest in owning anything of that type is nil.
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Fair enough I was just pointing out the genesis of the championship. I think it had two aims, the first to use up the supply of DFVS and second to replace F2 because that had got too expensive.
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I've always wondered how much truth there was in that, certainly F2 needed replacing because it had become dominated by the Honda works team. |
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I haven't seen an alloy monocoque F3000 for years. Thanks for the correction re the Woodcocks and the Woodhouses!. I just can't decide what to do with my Lola. It's stripped to bare carbon, gearbox rebuilt, all new suspension joints and NAS bolts, re Kephos coated. Koni dampers are fully rebuilt and dynoed. I was going to have it painted in its original Camel colours as per when Heinz-Harald Frentzen ran it, indeed he has been very helpful and sent me some period photos from his personal albums. The engine build cost a bomb as I had new Mugen Ti rods fitted and new Omega pistons made as the OE ones were no longer available. I have the files access to the Omegas so can produce more. It had a couple of liners due to external corrosion of a couple, and new pump internals, bearings, valve springs, some valves, etcetera. The heads were machined for the re-commissioned springs from Tomei in Japan, who have further developed the Mugen F3000 V8 to turn more revs. great people to deal with! All this came at a price though, and I am now fearful of running the brute! The tub is totally repair free, and has no issues at all we can see. My next door neighbour is an active carbon composites guy, ex McLaren, and he thinks it's a great tub. Should I sell it, or should I sit on it and hope a series comes along? Difficult call for me right now, I turn the engine weekly and all valve springs are all in a relaxed state. If it were not for the recession I'd have chanced my luck and done some test sessions at least, but right now another engine build would be a drama I could do without! If anyone is interested in the car I am happy to talk. I need to decide where I am going with this before the winter, and get it painted if I am going to have some fun with it. I drove it in the wet at Donington when I first bought it, and even with a patently tired engine she was a beast
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Despite being a massive 3000 supporter and enthusiast I had never considered a classic series!
Great idea though Chris? Some of you have hit the nail on tbe head re cost problems both back in the day and for any prospective owner today! Engines are available but expensive to maintain. There's obviously loads of DFV/Y 's about to cater for the myriad old F1 and sportscar series. Suspect you coukd get a Judd relatively easily too. Mugens are the dear ones and were partly responsible for tbe costs increase in the late 80's as well, along with carbon parts. As for chassis, March built loads before they fell out of favour. Where are all those 85/6/7 B's?. Some were just update kits but there must've been 50 odd chassis made at least. Not sure about Ralts and early Lolas though? An ex works spare RB20 that Pavesi later ran has turned up in Italy, resplendent in original Bridgestone colours. Now that woukd be a great cR for such a series particularly if Mike Thackwell or John Nielsen could be tempted to drive it! |
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