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I gotta wonder how the hell Phelps/Rogers got it so wrong in that previous link? Phelps quotes Rogers as saying the deal is done. There's some egg on faces surrounding that article, someone has it VERY wrong.
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My understanding is that Volvo is in, Polestar is out, and Cyan are not sure.
Losing Polestar isn't that big of a deal. It's Cyan who builds the engines, etc. |
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But will the Polestar announcement provide a reason for Nissan to exit? We could end up with the return of the Commodore Cup in 2017! (I do not want that to happen)
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Scotty firming to DJR/P for 2016 - if not possibly a done deal already COTF - will it last as the base after 2017 Edited - Can Pace/MARC become a factor in providing brand variety &/or competitiveness & will V8SC allow it or Beginning of the END Last edited by AWASP; 4 May 2016 at 08:15. |
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caught up with the news
wonder what changed from a week ago Last edited by peckstar; 4 May 2016 at 09:00. |
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Confirmed Out By Volvo Car Australia
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So I guess Gary is going to find himself in the same position as the Benz now with development, and how is he commercially going to fund the team?
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Impossible to see how this program can stay competitive with no manufacturer support.The example of the AMG's is very instructive here.
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So the hypothetical question has to be asked.... If V8Supercars had allowed non-V8 engines in 2014, could/would Volvo have developed something else and stayed?
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That's disappointing. :\
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It just gets worse and worse ... I really don't like where this is heading. Volvo/Polestar/Cyan/Whoever could possibly have lost all the brownie points gained at Phillip Island and a whole heap more with these plays. Very negative for the brand image here in Oz.
Its all going back to Sweden! It was one week ago that Mr Phelps and the Daily Telegraph proudly stated "The Daily Telegraph can exclusively reveal Volvo this week signed the V8 deal which will see them become the first car company to join the sport under the new generation rules with Holden, Nissan and Ford all in doubt beyond this year." I guess they need the cars for the soon to be announced V8 Swedish Supercar Series ... NOT! The deal must have been "signed" on dunny paper. How could this have been reported so incorrectly and then gone so bad? I can only think that there must be more to this than meets the eye. What did happen in the Swedish boardroom over the weekend? Hope Volvo paid all the air fares GRM incurred for the weekend. Last edited by RedZedMikey; 4 May 2016 at 17:52. |
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I'm genuinely surprised to see the Phelps story is still up. Eagerly awaiting an explanation on how it was reported so spectacularly wrong. Was the Rogers quote completely made up?
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So Cyan are taking back the chassis too? The engines I can understand as part of a lease deal but I guess it depends on who paid for what.
What a crock. I couldn't give a rats ass about losing a couple of Commodores but those two beautiful in blue Ovlovs? And to see this happen to GRM makes me sad. So if the cars are going back home then what are GRM going to do for next year? At least they know now and not later in the year so they have time up their sleeve to sort something for 2017 |
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Its much like the evolution of F1, much as the fans may not like it, the reality is that manufacturers want to showcase cars that represent where their businesses are heading, and that is not down the V8 path.
If manufacturer support is to return, a clean sheet approach needs to be adopted much like the BTCC did a few years ago, rather than manipulating to allow retention of V8s. Otherwise the series and teams needs to be structured on the assumption that manufacturer support will not be forthcoming. |
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