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Old 5 Apr 2016, 03:35 (Ref:3630413)   #1
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LMP1 Privateer. Is it about to go the way of the dinosaurs?

From what I have been reading on various sources out there, it seems the ACO is doing jack about listening to the concerns of not only Rebellion & Kolles teams, but others who "may" be interested in going P1 Privateer?

In typical ACO fashion, they seem to be only concerned with the OEM manufacturers who can fill the ACO car park with their products and invite them to lavish hospitality at the events!

Perhaps if say Audi & Toyota both go away in the future, why would Porsche stay to race itself? Therefore one would assume common sense logic "should" say, let's try and fix the problem before it becomes unfixable, yes or no?

I also read somewhere that it was suggested, not sure if this was from the ACO side or not, that the Cosworth Nissan V6 from their failed P1 factory effort, should become a spec engine for P1 Privateer!!!??? Hang on a minute, we already have a spec class LMP2 looming, which no one yet knows how this will pan out, so why would the very people who are in P1 Privateeer because they do not want anything spec, go for this ridiculous idea? Oh of course, nothing to do with the entrants, perhaps lots of new Nissan products are what's attractive with this suggestion?

Everyone who is involved with the WEC series, I think need to wake up, sit up, open their eyes and realize that serdom has long been dead, and without them, the pompous ACO does not have a series to play Napolean with!
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Old 5 Apr 2016, 09:38 (Ref:3630458)   #2
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lmp1 is a class insanely expensive for private teams, almost 0 TV coverage during the races, 0 chances to fight against work lmp1 teams... and we are still guessing why this class is going to be a dead horse?
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Old 5 Apr 2016, 10:02 (Ref:3630466)   #3
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lmp1 is a class insanely expensive for private teams, almost 0 TV coverage during the races, 0 chances to fight against work lmp1 teams... and we are still guessing why this class is going to be a dead horse?
You may well be correct my friend. Where does that leave the ACO, if a couple of manufacturers bail in the future?The remaining 1 would likely follow, then what do they have, a "spec" LMP2 as the premier class for the WEC and Le Mans?

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Old 5 Apr 2016, 10:15 (Ref:3630469)   #4
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It's a myth that manufacturers bail at a higher rate than do privateers. It's up to the ACO to make sure that the class (and the series) remain attractive to the manufacturers if they want them to stick around or if they want more to join. It is a marketing exercise like any other: Choose your target market and provide the best service/product possible at the best price possible, promoting it well and always guaranteeing you make a profit.
Any movement away from these simple rules will eventually lead to failure.
The problem at the moment is that there are two very different target markets , with generally divergent interests (some overlapping interests) and the ACO is going to be a little like a seal trying to balance two balls on it's nose at once, and pretending that it is only one ball.
We have a saying in Portuguese: Each monkey should have his own branch to sit on.

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I also read somewhere that it was suggested, not sure if this was from the ACO side or not, that the Cosworth Nissan V6 from their failed P1 factory effort, should become a spec engine for P1 Privateer!!!??? Hang on a minute, we already have a spec class LMP2 looming, which no one yet knows how this will pan out, so why would the very people who are in P1 Privateeer because they do not want anything spec, go for this ridiculous idea? Oh of course, nothing to do with the entrants, perhaps lots of new Nissan products are what's attractive with this suggestion?
One move tough that seems to have been made fairly recently is to accept the potential for factory engines in the class, a move that may well have been reinforced by the offer, DSC believes, of introducing the Cosworth designed Nissan twin turbo V6 that featured in the now cancelled GT-R LM, not just as an optional engine choice but as a ‘Spec’ engine for Privateer LMP1. That prospect has now disappeared though the Nissan V6 remains an interesting potential option.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/0...gines-drs.html
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Mods lock thread please. We have ten of these in various naming schemes already.
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Mods lock thread please. We have ten of these in various naming schemes already.
Better to merge than lock... and then delete my comments and yours.
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Better to merge than lock... and then delete my comments and yours.
Or that, yes...
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Or that, yes...
Any place in particular you think fits best?
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Re the OP's question ... let's hope not. Dinosaurs lasted 165 million years.
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Any place in particular you think fits best?
Probably

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146384

But then again both Rebellion and Kolles threads are full of the same discussion, among other threads, so it's as bad (discussion scattering wise) as with P2s, IMSA etc

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Re the OP's question ... let's hope not. Dinosaurs lasted 165 million years.
Avian dinosaurs still live today
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