The IPO Finds Nothing Wrong!! - Page 2

SuperRoo · 10 Dec 2006, 22:52 (Ref:1787205)

Comparing Rick to MS or Senna, please...

These guys may have made some dubious moves in their careers, but at least they won races. Not just sat there staying out of trouble.

A "Champion" means so much more than having the most points at the end of the season. Rick has shown absolutely no qualities of a champion. He has only won 1 race, a race that was gifted to him by his brother.

His amateurish move move that punted CL is why he just sits there and gathers points. He just doesnt have the racecraft to race the top guys in just as fast cars.

I think he should be crowned officially the 2006 champion, as a legacy to the farce that this championship has become.

Beatcha · 10 Dec 2006, 23:35 (Ref:1787247)

My 2 cents. It doesn’t matter if people think RK is worthy, he has the most points and it is the points system that is wrong. A few things stick in my mind. 1. Rick kelly 's view on the accident (term used loosely) he said "Lowndes pushed me wide on the corner" Well it is hard to be pushed wide on the inside of a corner and i thought you had to be along side to be pushed anywhere. 2. "Lowndes crashed into Todd" yes he did with ricks help. "I had the faster car" Well race 1 and 2 disprove that and i believe that he would have had a hard time getting past. So in my opinion he gained an unfair advantage and we would not be talking about it if it was another driver that took Lowndes out. Pender said "don’t worry about keeping the car straight we don’t need it next year" To me that is an invite to push your way through and Rk is not the sharpest tool in the shed so that may have been how he read it, so how I read it his team was as much at fault. Just to let you all know I am not a Lowndes fan or a Kelly fan, Flame on guys!

Harves · 11 Dec 2006, 00:05 (Ref:1787264)

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So you want to talk about Mr Skaife taking Mr Lowndes off the road now too?

GTR stick to the powder room, sorry but it's clear you have never driven through the Hayshed at speed, there ain't no way you can go round the outside!

Ok a quick pop question, if that was race 3 of the first round, what is RK's penalty?

My answer = Drive through!

Last round a tap, CL is turned around by RK, what's the Penalty?

My answer = Drive through.

GAME OVER

For the record, I'm a big CL fan.

twinwebbers · 11 Dec 2006, 00:08 (Ref:1787266)

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Originally Posted by Chappelli

Rick Kelly, points leader at the end of the season ...yes.. "Champion".. no.

and that my friends sums it up... Rick is a finisher not a winner!

Kerri · 11 Dec 2006, 00:44 (Ref:1787287)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

I hope they get the decision out of the way in time for the glammafest at Crown Casino tonight... be funny to present awards to people and say "Provisional" champion

Either way, there may be some heat in that room tonight

What's this about GTR?

I thought the Awards Dinner was on Friday Night, either that or they sent us the wrong invitation

dsg · 11 Dec 2006, 00:45 (Ref:1787288)

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Originally Posted by Harves

... would you say 7 times World Champ Michael Schumacher is an (unworthy champion) or Aryton Senna, who both shunted other drivers off the road to win Championship?...

Both Schumacher and Senna actually won races during the season.

Many people on this forum do call Schumacher an unworthy champion for tactics he has employed throughout his career.

TSR · 11 Dec 2006, 00:48 (Ref:1787291)

IPO funded by the Holden Motor Company
VE$A funded by the Holden Motor Company

Crash Bandiccot might have won the championship (By DEFAULT ), but he is NOT a Champion.

2006 Title will go down as the lowest piont in Touring Car/Supertaxi history. and we all know why.

Harves · 11 Dec 2006, 01:42 (Ref:1787319)

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Both Schumacher and Senna actually won races during the season.
Many people on this forum do call Schumacher an unworthy champion for tactics he has employed throughout his career.

So, what's your point!

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IPO funded by the Holden Motor Company
VE$A funded by the Holden Motor Company

Crash Bandiccot might have won the championship (By DEFAULT ), but he is NOT a Champion.

TSR put the drugs down and move away from the computer... cause you're actually typing your smoke dreams.

Phase3 · 11 Dec 2006, 01:57 (Ref:1787333)

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Originally Posted by Harves

GTR stick to the powder room, sorry but it's clear you have never driven through the Hayshed at speed, there ain't no way you can go round the outside!

Ok a quick pop question, if that was race 3 of the first round, what is RK's penalty?

My answer = Drive through!

Last round a tap, CL is turned around by RK, what's the Penalty?

My answer = Drive through.

GAME OVER

For the record, I'm a big CL fan.

The problem with that very simplistic arguement is that it's not round one, it's the final race of the series, and the driver who took Lowndes out won the series as a direct result of doing so, and therefore a drive through really doesn't do justice considering the magnitude of the crime does it?

Puting it in even simpler terms for you, if rick hadn't punted Lowndes, in all likely hood Lowndes would have won the championship, as he demonstrated all weekend he had the faster car (that is when those unethical morons tander & skaife wern't blocking by up to a second a lap) and should have easily beat rick to the line......

Harves · 11 Dec 2006, 02:02 (Ref:1787339)

Phase3, so am I the only person in the world that saw CL try and drive RK off the road all the way along Bass Str8, take you blue goggles off.

The stewards have all the vision and called it as it is, that fact that it is the last race has no bearing on the outcome and nor should it.

Senna05 · 11 Dec 2006, 02:19 (Ref:1787345)

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Originally Posted by dsg

Both Schumacher and Senna actually won races during the season.

Many people on this forum do call Schumacher an unworthy champion for tactics he has employed throughout his career.

Senna only did what Prost did to him the year before. And, yes, he openly admitted he did. PErhaps the FIA didn't punish him as the outgoing president ALSO openly admitted her let Prost off as he was a fellow Frenchman.

My point - If Kelly gets off, should Lowndes have a "free" card to hit Kelly sometime next year? Should Kelly get off if it's proved that he did it intentionally?

My feelings - Either throw the book at him so people are more cautious and mature when approaching these things, OR let him keep the championship to create the aura that anything can indeed happen, and promote a little more movement on the track.

But, personaly, if 3-4 years ago they stripped Skaife and Bright of 100 pts for one of their mechanics doing burnouts off the track, and Lowndes/Ambrose loses points for BTSID, then maybe Rick should cop 50 for making such headlines with his "laggy" breaking foot?

Peddler · 11 Dec 2006, 02:50 (Ref:1787349)

Guys, what time would or should we expect a statement as such form todays meeting regarding this?

HSE2 · 11 Dec 2006, 02:57 (Ref:1787351)

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Originally Posted by Harves

Phase3, so am I the only person in the world that saw CL try and drive RK off the road all the way along Bass Str8, take you blue goggles off.

yes you are the only person. That was good hard racing between both men.

GregM · 11 Dec 2006, 02:59 (Ref:1787353)

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Originally Posted by Peddler

Guys, what time would or should we expect a statement as such form todays meeting regarding this?

Further to this can anyone enlighten me as to what the process is for a hearing of this nature?

Grimace · 11 Dec 2006, 03:10 (Ref:1787359)

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Originally Posted by smokinJ

whinge whinge whinge Fords only answer. well done Rick you deserve the win

Whinge!!!!!!!! If someone drove you off the road you would whinge- Kelly is NO CHAMPION

WHAT AN INANE COMMENT!

Pro Racer · 11 Dec 2006, 03:23 (Ref:1787363)

Rick did hit lowndes which did unsettle him ending up in the crash, but Rick did his drive through as you would at any other round and at every other round they just move on just do the same here, and Rick went into this meeting as Champion he should emerge as Champion IMO.

barney551 · 11 Dec 2006, 03:25 (Ref:1787365)

Why dont you just cut and paste the same answers PWR ...

mjt57 · 11 Dec 2006, 03:38 (Ref:1787374)

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Originally Posted by mongrelpunt

I can't believe all this talk about a 4 car army beating Lowndes. Sure, HRT should have been 'restricted' in their assistance to Kelly (but as if Todd wouldn't help his brother anyways), but Garth Tander was quite within his rights to (legally) help Rick win the title

Is there betting, such as through TABcorp or similar orgs, allowed on V8 races? If so, then any such assistance should be illegal just as race fixing in the horse racing industry is illegal.

Anyway, Kelly's title win has been marred by this whole sorry saga. Whether or not he deserved to win is another matter. That he scored the 2006 title, subject to the protest or whatever is happening, under such a cloud has, in my view, further subjected the class of racing to public humiliation. Well, at least for those who care enough about it.

Had Lowndes won it, then it would've been considered a title well earned. He has had the better performance all year round, as his 6 wins to Kelly's none, has demonstrated.

SSbaby · 11 Dec 2006, 03:49 (Ref:1787386)

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Originally Posted by mjt57

Had Lowndes won it, then it would've been considered a title well earned. He has had the better performance all year round, as his 6 wins to Kelly's none, has demonstrated.

There were other drivers who had won more races than Lowndes this year. Does that also make them more deserving than Lowndes?

If Tander had not switched camps, he would have romped it in. If Todd and Skaife had better luck earlier in the season...

If is a BIG word, but not relevant in the real scheme of things.

HSE2 · 11 Dec 2006, 03:56 (Ref:1787389)

Well its coming up to 3 hours so they must have something to talk about.

FPV GTHO · 11 Dec 2006, 04:15 (Ref:1787404)

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Originally Posted by mongrelpunt

Craig Lowndes had his fair share of results this year, but it was his failure to finish races was his undoing.

Failure to finish raceS? He only had 1 DNF to his name

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Originally Posted by Harves

Rick wanted it more and he will go on and win more then CL..... hang on he already has.

Getting ahead of yourself there dont you think? How will one driver ever score more than the other whilst theyre both still competitively racing?

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Originally Posted by Harves

... would you say 7 times World Champ Michael Schumacher is an (unworthy champion) or Aryton Senna, who both shunted other drivers off the road to win Championship?...

Didnt Schumacher also get his points stripped in 1997 when he tried that move at Adelaide?

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Originally Posted by pwr fan

and Rick went into this meeting as Champion he should emerge as Champion IMO.

Rick cant be champion before the championship's over

Furthermore, being championship LEADER still means nothing. By the time race 3 started, Lowndes was actually leading the championship. Level on points but ahead on a countback.

doug05 · 11 Dec 2006, 04:34 (Ref:1787414)

Wow, aren't all the ford boys getting worked up about getting beaten in the championship for the first time since 03....

Guess what fellas, you can't win all the time! Oh but that's right, the series is run by holden.... Must be why 888 seem to constantly whinge and moan and get their way when someone is in front of them.

Hey 'Marcus' Lowndes, you are meant to pass people, not whinge about them being in front of you. If you are as good as you and your team keeps on making out, this shouldn't be a worry...

Either way, I hope Rick keeps his championship win. He deserves it for keeping his cool and racing consistently through the year! At least his team doesn't have to resort to the tactics of 888 to win a championship. Hey 888, if you cant stand the heat, get out of the nuclear reactor and head off back to England! Bye bye now

FPV GTHO · 11 Dec 2006, 04:44 (Ref:1787419)

^^Is that all some Holden fans have? Cant support Rick's actions so have to label the rest as whingers?

Pro Racer · 11 Dec 2006, 04:47 (Ref:1787422)

i don't think there is one dsriver/team that dosn't have a whinge from time to time, sometimes they are right in whinging sometimes they arn't.

barney551 · 11 Dec 2006, 04:53 (Ref:1787426)

wow ... PWR we actually agree on something, you must be growing up.

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