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Old 5 Jan 2009, 19:35 (Ref:2365803)   #1
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GT4 - Who's building it?

Recently there was the announcement that BMW Motorsport had homologated the M3 for the FIA GT4 championship. But does that also mean they are going to develop it? Because I've seen hints at both BMW Motorsport development as G&A development (the Belgian Squad who did the Z4), but no clear messages really. Does anybody know more about this?

On that same note, Paul van Splunteren's team is developing the Porsche 997 GT4, but now there are also newsitems popping up about Speedlover doing the same. Didn't FIA grant one team the right to develop an official GT4 car of a certain make/model? Or is it that anybody can develop the car, after which the FIA chooses the car that will be allowed in the championship?

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Old 5 Jan 2009, 20:04 (Ref:2365837)   #2
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Old 5 Jan 2009, 21:03 (Ref:2365875)   #3
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Didn't FIA grant one team the right to develop an official GT4 car of a certain make/model? Or is it that anybody can develop the car, after which the FIA chooses the car that will be allowed in the championship?
Several teams can develop their own GT4 versions of the same car if they get a non-exclusive license for it. For example, I think there are going to be two different 350Z. Different approaches are possible though. There is:

1) Manufacturer's homologation
2) Exclusive tuner
3) Appointed tuner (non-exclusive)
4) Temporary homologation

There is a nice presentation brochure at the official site, which outlines that and gives the status of each car: http://www.gt4cup.com/system/_download.php?key=48

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Old 5 Jan 2009, 21:22 (Ref:2365895)   #4
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I thought a different tuner, not Callaway, was making the Corvette C6 GT4.
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Old 5 Jan 2009, 21:37 (Ref:2365905)   #5
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I thought a different tuner, not Callaway, was making the Corvette C6 GT4.
The project was started by Kroymans (= Corvette Europe) but the technical part is done by Callaway.
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Old 6 Jan 2009, 17:46 (Ref:2366488)   #6
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BMW M3 - I assume G&A Racing (in cooperation with BMW Motorsport?)
Thats exactly the thing I'm trying to figure out Are G&A from the 'dutch' or the 'french' part of Belgium? If they're Flemish I can give them a call.
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Old 6 Jan 2009, 18:08 (Ref:2366510)   #7
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Old 6 Jan 2009, 18:13 (Ref:2366514)   #8
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The complete Website is in Flemish .But you can not find the adress or a Phone Number ??
On the website of their car dealership:
http://www.gamotors.bmw.be/NL/Contac....aspx#Directie
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Old 7 Jan 2009, 12:36 (Ref:2366985)   #10
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There was an email adress on their own site as well, so I've dropped them a mail
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There was an email adress on their own site as well, so I've dropped them a mail
You know, making your inquiries publicly known could trigger all kinds of speculation.
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Old 7 Jan 2009, 15:51 (Ref:2367100)   #12
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Peugeot is homologating the 207 THP Spyder in that class too
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The project was started by Kroymans (= Corvette Europe) but the technical part is done by Callaway.
Callaway "Competition" is handling the construction of the cars. They have a few cars currently being built. One is either being painted now, done or will be soon.

Heres the cars when they arrived:

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Old 7 Jan 2009, 20:38 (Ref:2367265)   #14
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Unfortunately the mail to G&A came back undelivered Seems the email adress on the website ain't functioning.
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Old 7 Jan 2009, 21:04 (Ref:2367287)   #15
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I think the N24's are done by AM themselves, not Prodrive. They begin on the main production line and after a while they're split off and turned into racers at the factory.
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I think the N24's are done by AM themselves, not Prodrive. They begin on the main production line and after a while they're split off and turned into racers at the factory.
All Aston Martin Racing cars these days are done by Prodrive, this includes all the Racing versions of the V8 Vantage, DBR9, DBRS9.
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All Aston Martin Racing cars these days are done by Prodrive, this includes all the Racing versions of the V8 Vantage, DBR9, DBRS9.
Has that changed then? Because I do remember an interview with an Aston Martin bloke (Autosport or the N24? N24 I think) claiming the former.
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Recently there was the announcement that BMW Motorsport had homologated the M3 for the FIA GT4 championship. But does that also mean they are going to develop it? Because I've seen hints at both BMW Motorsport development as G&A development (the Belgian Squad who did the Z4), but no clear messages really. Does anybody know more about this?

On that same note, Paul van Splunteren's team is developing the Porsche 997 GT4, but now there are also newsitems popping up about Speedlover doing the same. Didn't FIA grant one team the right to develop an official GT4 car of a certain make/model? Or is it that anybody can develop the car, after which the FIA chooses the car that will be allowed in the championship?
BMW M3 GT4 from G&A Racing:
http://blip.tv/file/1871033

So according this interview with Guido Kenis (G&A) they and BMW Motorsport have both built a M3 GT4. Not very smart from SRO to allow different "manufacturers" for the same car model.
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Has that changed then? Because I do remember an interview with an Aston Martin bloke (Autosport or the N24? N24 I think) claiming the former.
From dsc's visit to Aston Martin in Nov 2007

"Until very recently a stand-alone Special Projects team also assembled the GT4 spec. N24 at Gaydon, but with around 20 now complete, production has transferred to Aston Martin Racing’s facility at Prodrive, where the balance of the cars required for a new for 2008 Asian one make series are being built, these cars finished in all-over white livery before being shipped."
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BMW M3 GT4 from G&A Racing:
http://blip.tv/file/1871033

So according this interview with Guido Kenis (G&A) they and BMW Motorsport have both built a M3 GT4. Not very smart from SRO to allow different "manufacturers" for the same car model.
Eh, why not? Shouldn't the point of GT4 be that, ultimately, it's so cheap you can build one on your own? Besides, SRO already lets Nissan do it with the 350Z (both RJN and Solution F race them - not any of them seem to have sold any, or have they?).
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Because it's a performance balanced series. If every teams builds it's own car SRO has to test all the cars.

Isn't the Solution F car a RJN GT4?
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One 350Z ran in the VdeV Endurance last year, but that could be the solution F car. RJN has some GT4 based 350Z running in the VLN series in Germany.
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Isn't the Solution F car a RJN GT4?
http://www.gt4cup.com/cars.php?market=false&key=7

Says you can order a 350Z from either of them. What that means technically, I'm not sure, although RJN has been developping that car for years, ever since it was a GT2 in the British GT Championship, but Solution F has been developping that engine and using it everywhere, including the World Series by Renault, the Mégane Trophy and the Opel-bodied Touring Cup silhouettes.
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