10-10ths challenge: 24

[Adam43]

I have checked Jerez '97. Mika was already ahead of DC before both past Villeneuve on the last lap.

[strider]

Originally Posted by Dani Filth

Brabham at Monaco .. can't remember the year . i'll look for it
got it .. 1970 .

Brabham went straight on at the final corner, into the straw bales (!), Rindt won.

[Don K]

I guess we are not allowed to log into forix and have a quick look at the lap charts?

[Adam43]

As I am not near my books it is what I am using to confirm. AFAIK you can't do a search for last lap changes. So you have to know (or suspect) before you can look.

I think we are on 14 now, but we haven't checked them all. I know of two more (same driver), but haven't checked the year yet.

[Dani Filth]

Gurney->Clark 1964 Mexico
Baghetti->Gurney 1961 Reims
Stewart->Beltoise 1969 Monza

[luke]

This is just a guess, but I can't remember the year but didn't Fangio come from a long way back at the Nurburgring to win, an did it go into the last lap?
Was the 1957 race, when Fangio won his last and finest Grand Prix and he won the race in the Ferrari.

[Dani Filth]

57 he was in a Maserati
A slow mid-race pit stop dropped Fangio behind the two Lancia-Ferraris but he chased back hard, in one of the greatest drives in F1 history, and passed both Collins and Hawthorn on the penultimate lap

[luke]

So three out for my four wrong.

[Cougar]

again not the last lap ... come on luke you can do better than that hehe

with the older and much longer track back then I would think there might be a few from that era? Or maybe not... ??

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by Dani Filth

Gurney->Clark 1964 Mexico

That is two that Clark has gained then.

Monza in the '60s is a good one to check. The slipstreamers where leading into parabolica was a bad place to be!

1970 British GP. Brabham (again) loses to Rindt. JB ran out of fuel on the run to the line.

[Dani Filth]

Italian GP 1953 .. Fangio overtook Farina and Ascari
Monza usually provided things like that .. with a lot of slipstreaming happening.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by Cougar

with the older and much longer track back then I would think there might be a few from that era? Or maybe not... ??

and the perception that all old GP were won on the last GP.

Actually a good point. The last lap at Nurburgring gave more opportunity to overtake or for misfortune to strike. However I remember a few German GP dominations!

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by Dani Filth

Italian GP 1953 .. Fangio overtook Farina and Ascari
Monza usually provided things like that .. with a lot of slipstreaming happening.

Nice.

Originally Posted by grandprix.com

At the last corner Ascari and Farina were side by side. Ascari spun, Farina went on to the grass to avoid his team mate but Ascari was hit by Marimon who had nowhere to go. Fangio dived through the carnage to win the race.

[Dani Filth]

Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

and the perception that all old GP were won on the last GP.

Actually a good point. The last lap at Nurburgring gave more opportunity to overtake or for misfortune to strike. However I remember a few German GP dominations!

clark, Stewart .. Ickx had one too i think

[N I Tram]

I don't think Canada 1997 technically counts, because of the pace-car laps, but people forget that DC pitted on the last green-flag lap (as a precaution.....) only to have a clutch failure. How many have we got in total now?

[Dani Filth]

Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

Nice.

it's good to have the site on your computer ..

[ElScOrChO]

We have Jerez 1986 when Senna passed Mansell at the finish line with
big lead of 0.014secs.

There's another race when Senna was beaten to the finish line by Prost but
I don't remember the track and the year. I think it was at Kyalami or Donington.

[Dani Filth]

Originally Posted by N I Tram

I don't think Canada 1997 technically counts, because of the pace-car laps, but people forget that DC pitted on the last green-flag lap (as a precaution.....) only to have a clutch failure. How many have we got in total now?

actually i dont remember Canada at all . a bit strange ..
not even the winner

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by ElScOrChO

We have Jerez 1986 when Senna passed Mansell at the finish line with
big lead of 0.014secs.

It was Mansell on newer tyres trying to pass Senna on old tyre, but failing by 0.014s. Mansell suggested they should get 7.5pts each

Sorry.

[luke]

Originally Posted by ElScOrChO

We have Jerez 1986 when Senna passed Mansell at the finish line with
big lead of 0.014secs.

I don't think Jerez would count as I belive Senna led the last few laps.

There's another race when Senna was beaten to the finish line by Prost but I don't remember the track and the year. I think it was at Kyalami or Donington.

Monaco '84?

But Prost had led those last few laps.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by N I Tram

I don't think Canada 1997 technically counts, because of the pace-car laps, but people forget that DC pitted on the last green-flag lap (as a precaution.....) only to have a clutch failure. How many have we got in total now?

I agree 1997 Canada doesn't count. The last lap had no changes because it was under yellow. Last green doesn't matter.

How many? These are provisional because there are some I haven't checked them all (I am confident though). Also this assumes I haven't missed any from above.

2005 European GP. Kimi's puncture leads to Alonso's win.
2003 Bazilian GP. Fisi overtakes Kimi on what becomes the last lap.
2001 Spanish GP. Mika's engine blows.
2002 Austrian GP. Michael lets Rubens win.
1997 Hungarian GP. Damon has a mechanical problem. Villeneuve wins.
1997 European GP. Villeneuve lets Mika past.
1991 Canadian GP. Mansell stalls on the last lap waving to the crowd. Piquet wins.
1991 Japanese GP. Senna gives the win to Berger.
1981 Monaco. Villeneuve gains from Jones.
1971 Italian GP. Gethin wins the slipstreamer. #
1970 British GP. Brabham (again) loses to Rindt. JB ran out of fuel on the run to the line.
1970 Monaco. Brabham gives the GP to Rindt after going straight on at the last corner.
1969 Italian. Steward from Beltoise.
1967 Italian GP. Surtees wins after Clark runs out of fuel.
1964 Mexico. Clark.
1964 Belgium GP. Clark wins after Brabham runs out of fuel
1961 French GP. Baghetti->Gurney 1961 Reims

That is 17.

[ElScOrChO]

Didn't Senna overtook Mansell at the start of the last lap?
Where is that video when I need it!

[ElScOrChO]

Monaco '84?

But Prost had led those last few laps.

Definitely not, I have the images in my head

The last corner is a left hander hairpin and the track was a
bit damp and was drying. I think Prost was in a Williams so
it was in 1993.

[luke]

Originally Posted by ElScOrChO

Definitely not, I have the images in my head

The last corner is a left hander hairpin and the track was a
bit damp and was drying. I think Prost was in a Williams so
it was in 1993.

The image is right, but I belive Senna lapped all the cars up to third and Prost was third.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by ElScOrChO

Didn't Senna overtook Mansell at the start of the last lap?
Where is that video when I need it!

According to forix Senna lead at the line from laps 63-72 (the final lap). He got the lead when Mansell stopped for new tyres. Mansell was so much quicker in the later stages because Senna's tyres were dodgy that I don't think he would have been able to get past Mansell.