The fastest Rallycross car ever?

Thundersports · 2 May 2006, 20:47 (Ref:1599664)

Just a bit of fun but i'd like to hear peaples opinion on which Rallycross supercar was the fastest....
The car's that spring to my mind are Schanche's RS200E, Gollop's 6R4 Bi-Turbo and Alamakis 205 T16.
Any others and which of the above were the fastest?

King Arthur · 2 May 2006, 21:15 (Ref:1599691)

Interesting question - what do you mean by fastest. 0 to 60 / over 3 laps / straight line speed.

Some thoughts - Ex Martin Schanche Ford Escort - Matti Alamaki or Seppo Nittymaki Porsches - Arild Martinsens BMW - Olle Arnesson quattro - Piet Damm 3 series BMW very seldom beaten of the line. Any of the Hansen Citroens. Outside thought John Welch Astra - when on song. In its day and the best 2 wheel drive the Lancia Strators of Wurtz and Bentza. Overall the yellow Porsche of Matti which used to turn the wheel inside its tyres

The quickest thing of this type that I have seen is the Mike Endean Puma part Rallycross / part Hillclimb / part DTM plus Mikes transmission - winner in 2005 of the Brighton speed trial.

B Friendly · 2 May 2006, 22:53 (Ref:1599743)

It would be interesting to see the lap times of the latest Div 1 cars and the Grp B supercars. Although did'nt Pat Doran drive his RS200 with about 800bhp

along with the restricted cars not so long ago?
IMO both class of car would be equally as quick on the track, the modern cars being quick on the tight part of the circuit but the grp B car pulling them back on the straights.
BUT I did'nt see the Schanche/Gollop/Alamaki battles!

Thundersports · 2 May 2006, 23:00 (Ref:1599750)

I think the fastest over 3 laps is a good marker. Like the point on Welch's Astra Xtrac nearly posted it myself but it was very rarely on song but blistering quick when it was.

WJM · 3 May 2006, 06:45 (Ref:1599844)

Martin Schanche with the RS200 holds/held the most laprecords I think. His RS2000 of '95 might have been a little faster than that. So Martin Schanche is the fastest car?

Stevie A · 3 May 2006, 07:36 (Ref:1599863)

I'd agree with Schanche's RS200. I think he still holds the track record at Lydden with 2min 28.8secs set in 1990 at the ERC final round. This is 6 secs faster than Pat's FTD in the BRC a couple of weeks ago. Both Doran and Haffey were setting times in the low 2min 30s a few years back with unrestricted cars but for a record to stand this long is something else!

rx-guru · 3 May 2006, 08:47 (Ref:1599901)

Please do not forget that some of the track records are not very helpfull these days - since nearly all ERC tracks have been changed a lot due to FIA requirements after the fatal Essay accident in July 1996.

Fast man · 3 May 2006, 09:13 (Ref:1599913)

and they don't use slicks these days, the big difference.

206180 · 3 May 2006, 10:32 (Ref:1599949)

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Originally Posted by Fast man

and they don't use slicks these days, the big difference.

European drivers I have spoken think the grooved tyres are faster because the cars have more traction on the loose so they are traveling faster when they get to the Tarmac !!

The fastest car has got to be Schance's RS200, but Alamaki's Porsche or Arildson's BMW looked the fastest, black lines and strange angles, but I think if todays cars were unrestricted they would be faster just because they have better traction and more driveable.

**silver bullet** · 3 May 2006, 11:11 (Ref:1599970)

I don't know about the fastest overall, but three of the fastest cars I have ever seen away from the startline were,
Schanche's Escort RS2000 at Brands Hatch
Joranli's Calibra (Vectra) at Estering
Haffy's Escort (whenever the transmision didn't blow up)

Upside Down Bug · 3 May 2006, 16:14 (Ref:1600148)

The fastest starting car I saw was anything being driven by Helmut Holfeild, he always nailed any start.

For me though it has to be between Schanche RS200, or Arild Martinson's Beamer. (Might be the Chicken Saxo if spining was included!)

Barrie · 3 May 2006, 17:22 (Ref:1600184)

The quickest rallycross car in all departments was Matti Alamaki's Peugeot 205T16 E2, proabably the most expensive too. Most powerful, John Greasley's 1000bhp Porsche 935 bi-turbo 4x4.

BOY BLUNDER · 3 May 2006, 17:55 (Ref:1600204)

I would like to add dermot to that list,
because i`ve been in his car & that is one quick car.

King Arthur · 3 May 2006, 20:15 (Ref:1600277)

Dermots car is quick but with your great lump in it then oh so slow.

The only good news is that it would have been even slower with UDB or me in it

I reckon without your boots it would be a second a lap quicker

KA

Upside Down Bug · 3 May 2006, 20:51 (Ref:1600304)

I forgot about Gresley's Porsche, great car!

BOY BLUNDER · 3 May 2006, 21:06 (Ref:1600323)

I seam to remember a certain RS 200 struggle round a track with UDB in
it,but maybe the car was'nt running right.

Upside Down Bug · 3 May 2006, 21:15 (Ref:1600330)

Ha ha ha - It was plenty quick enough for me.

chunder · 5 May 2006, 14:29 (Ref:1601282)

Intresting thread this as it is very difficult to quantify, a lot of people would say Gollops Metro or Alamaki or Scahnche but they were also the best drivers!

For me the quickest car I have ever seen was Arne Rasmushaugnes 2.8 Biturbo Metro that later was driven by Bengt Wiklund, I hava rarely seen a car so difficult to tame in my life, I only saw Arilds BMW twice and not very long at that, that was a powerful car but a very bad shape for a rallycross four wheel drive car, far too long a wheelbase!

I remember Arnes car at Lydden spinnnig the wheels as he changed gear half up the hill, he blew tyres and trannys with regularity and I remember Wiklund doing the same, I did hear him chatting to Gollop about the car once in Sweglish and some silly power figures were mentioned, none could ever be used coz the tranny would cost more than the car!

Others that impressed me were most of the Quattros, they had some big power, and the big Porsches of the time though their handling in 4wd was so poor. Also do you remember Paillers BX, i think it was Ireland in 94 when he blew by Tommy's Quattro and the Swede couldnt believe the power form the Citroen!
Scansches 2.3 litre RS 200 was a total beat that even he couldnt tame!

I hate these kind of threads coz it just makes me want to time travel so much!!

Hog · 6 May 2006, 19:41 (Ref:1601952)

What sort of power output did Jarmo Lahtemaki's turbo'd and supercharged Lancia Delta S4 claim to have?

Arild Martinsen's BMW was certainly mental though. When you are on the grid at Brands and it leaves 4 black lines all the way to the first corner, you know there's some serious horsepower...

chunder · 8 May 2006, 20:57 (Ref:1603725)

Dont think the Delta had serious power, anyway would probly have been at its most powerful when Matti was driving it, coz he had the money to throw at the rebuilds and parts maybe!

Think Arilds was probly the most powerful seen over here, unless Pat was touching more.

What would be interesting would be to find out from guys like Eddi what the most power seen on a dyno was, I know Gollop once got scary figures off Humphries dyno! Summat like 900 brake was possible at a million bar boost!

DCS · 16 Jul 2006, 18:34 (Ref:1657673)

Love these threads!

Fastest I think:
Matti Alamaki - Peugeot 205T16E2 (1990 spec)
Martin Schanche - Ford RS200 (1992 spec)
Martin Schanche - Ford Escort RS2000 (1995-1996 spec)
Kenneth Hansen - Citroën ZX (1995-1996 spec)

But the car with the greatest potential has to be Martin Schanche's RS2000, altough an ugly car... According to Schanche it had 130 kg of ballast so imagine this being ditched: a car with 700 bhp + potential on about 950 kg (for a 4x4!). And ofcourse being a Cosworth and Schanche product it can be given 2006 technology like Turbo's, Shocks, ALS and diff's. If I would win the lottery, he is going to build me a fun/road car! You can then scare superbikes at the traffic lights... But I think Hansen could build a similair product with his Citroën...

But the 205 looks best I think, but will be hard to update and will be beaten by newer machinery / technology if restrictors are ditched...

Hog · 20 Jul 2006, 22:28 (Ref:1661095)

Out of interest - there was a guy in the Tork 909 team who raced with Thor Holm (when Thor had the RS200) who owing to a rallying accident, had to race an automatic..........

But this was a Chevrolet Monza with a 2 speed semi-automatic drag racing gearbox.....quicker than some of the Group B machinery off the line when I saw it at Brands. Not bad for a 2WD - and the only car that could be heard over the top of the GrpB machinery across the Knife Edge from the Startline.....

I'll be buggered if I can recall the guy's name though. Any takers or more info?

rx-guru · 21 Jul 2006, 08:04 (Ref:1661281)

1991 GP at Brands Hatch? No. 25, Eivind Rosnes (N), Chevrolet Monza? Finished 27th only!

Hog · 21 Jul 2006, 08:31 (Ref:1661298)

Name seems familiar.

Only 27th? Oh well not that quick then - but was an amazing beast to witness all the same.

Another 205T16E2 that was blisteringly quick - Terje Schie (aka Terry O'Shea as adopted by the Irish I recall). Couldn't have been far off of Alamaki's similar machine in terms of outright speed.

rx-guru · 21 Jul 2006, 10:27 (Ref:1661383)

Terje, his son Thomas Schie is a rather famous rally driver nowadays, took that 205 E2 over from Seppo "Wigspeed" Niittymäki. It seems that Terje owns it again now. The cars were quite similar but Matti Alamäki was a true winner...