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Old 8 Mar 2020, 22:34 (Ref:3962383)   #2301
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the track clearly is not completely ready yet
Could you explain how you reach that conclusion?
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Could you explain how you reach that conclusion?
There's exposed soil and it's not properly manicured fields of grass and macadam as far as cars can go?

My thoughts were about the marshal station, looks like a rough location at the end without more fencing around it. But we can't see why the car ended up there from just that clip either
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Old 8 Mar 2020, 23:17 (Ref:3962387)   #2303
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Are you suggesting that the organisers let people race on a circuit that wasn’t safe to be raced on?
They let F1 race at Spa and Monaco every year don't they?
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Is there such a thing as a safe circuit?
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Old 9 Mar 2020, 08:18 (Ref:3962418)   #2305
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There's exposed soil and it's not properly manicured fields of grass and macadam as far as cars can go?

My thoughts were about the marshal station, looks like a rough location at the end without more fencing around it. But we can't see why the car ended up there from just that clip either
'But we can't see why the car ended up there from just that clip either' - this is the bit that made me unsure whether an assessment of safety can be made without knowing the causes of the incident.

I also think it a bit unfair of others to jump on the safety aspect, when that is not what was said.

From what I can tell in the clip:
  • The aesthetics of the track are still not complete.
  • The appearance looks (to the untrained eye) that certain features are temporary in terms of track furniture.

What I am not able to determine (or qualified to comment on) is whether the maturity of the track development made any contribution to a lower than acceptable safety standard.

I think I reach the same conclusion - just wondering if safety came into the conclusion?

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Could you explain how you reach that conclusion?
If you look at the pic you can see fence posting but no fence, very obvious



They have said fences will be placed at the other side of the track as well for F1.

so yes: they were racing on a unfinished tack, as you can see on this drone footage as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSBJW7xte-w

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If you look at the pic you can see fence posting but no fence, very obvious



They have said fences will be placed at the other side of the track as well for F1.

so yes: they were racing on a unfinished tack, as you can see on this drone footage as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSBJW7xte-w
Do you think the unfinished nature contribute to a reduction in safety?
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If you look at the pic you can see fence posting but no fence, very obvious



They have said fences will be placed at the other side of the track as well for F1.

so yes: they were racing on a unfinished tack, as you can see on this drone footage as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSBJW7xte-w
Safety fences are, more usually than not, for the safety of the people behind them rather than the cars & drivers in front. If there's no public access to an area and there are no specific hazards there, then there's little need for a fence - look at many other circuits for examples.

The marshal's post looks pretty robust to me, too. The guys were inside their own protective boundary as the car came towards them and stayed put until it stopped.

The only question I would have is what caused the car to take off - sometimes hitting armco at a specific angle can do it, but in this case I'd hazard a guess that something caused the car to spin and it dug in to the ground as it rotated or slid sideways. That's not an uncommon occurrence at finished tracks, you only have to look at Paddock Hill Bend at Brands Hatch for that.
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If you look at the pic you can see fence posting but no fence, very obvious

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESiHXdEXQAAanZI?format=jpg

They have said fences will be placed at the other side of the track as well for F1.

so yes: they were racing on a unfinished tack, as you can see on this drone footage as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSBJW7xte-w
Just unfinished or unfinished and unsafe as a result?
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Roger says his son Greg has met and had some preliminary discussions with Chase Carey.

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I would say the current infield circuit is a slight improvement on the one F1 used, so it would be interesting
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I would love F1 to return to Portugal, but it most likely won't happen.
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Indeed, Algarve would be fun to see F1 cars on
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The Autódromo Internacional do Algarve opened in 2008, with hopes of hosting an F1 Grand Prix. Financial difficulties for Parkalgar Serviços, who manged the venue put paid to that.

In September 2013, the venue was taken over by Portugal Capital Ventures, a Portuguese state-owned venture capitalist, effectively placing the circuit under state management. The sale was forced due to debts accumulated by Parkalgar Serviços, believed to be around €160m.
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I see where a GP at Hockenhiem might take place this year depending on the conditions. There has been some talks between the circuit and F1.


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Quite frankly Hockenheim should never have left the calendar. So quite right it should trying to come back
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Hmm -we need a German GP , absolutely , but the current Hockenheim is awful , and looks depressingly similar to so many other modern F1 circuits (on TV , that is , I haven't ever been). But the old one was so distinctive - that scary , flat out blast through spooky forest , massive braking , more blasts and then that burst into the stadium was quite something, and unlike any current circuit
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I agree. While the old Hockenheim wasn't exactly the most challenging of circuits, it did at least have it's own character. Then they shortened it and it became like most other circuits. The saving grace is it the layout does at least offer good racing. But it is still a shame no GP in Germany this year
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Oh , it just epitomises how F1's endless quest for quick bucks to be shilled from dodgy politicians in dodgy regimes has been at the expense of the sport's heritage and supporter base. Merc win everything , so no German GP., Max is the new messiah but no Dutch GP until this year after a 35year hiatus , Britain host most teams but gets one GP and Gulf States get two - and France , which invented Grand Prix racing in 1906 does without for years ,and despite Renault's huge contribution since 1977 .
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Yes too much money talks when it comes to F1 GPs. We go to venues that have no character and no following. It’s a good job the likes of Monaco, Silverstone, Spa, Monza and Suzuka are still on the calendar, it almost makes it worth visiting places like Abu Dhabi and Baku
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Some possible F1 dates for 2020 have come to light


https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...ar-takes-shape


Red Bull Ring 5th & 12th July
Silverstone 26th July & 2nd August
Barcelona or Hockenheim 9th August
Hungaroring 23rd August

Spa 30th August

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Sochi 27th September


Bahrain 6th December
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Other races in the Americas and Asia are also planned.
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If we are to assume ... and for me, it's still a big assumption despite the noises F1 are making... that the double header events in Austria and Silverstone go ahead, should the second of each event be run in a different format to the first?

If the first event is to be the traditional Friday FPs, with Saturday FP and Qually with Race on Sunday, do we need to go through the whole thing again the following weekend?
Could the second weekend just consist of a single longer FP and then Qually on the Saturday and Race on Sunday?

Clearly there would need to be turn around time between sessions but given no support categories needing track time on the weekend as well, could these races be used as a trial for possible shorter weekends or different formats in seasons to come?
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I read last night that the proposed calendar was provided to the F2 and F3 support series too.

The big thing about closed door events is that there's no corporate stuff going on. No guests, no sponsors, nobody - so turnaround between sessions can be tight. One reason there's so much downtime at F1 meetings is all the glad-handing that takes place.

It's long been said that each meeting is a two day event stretched across 3 days. Could we see the timetable compressed to just Saturday and Sunday?
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... And to add to that, I've just read a suggestion that the support categories might run on weekdays or weekday evenings instead so F1 keeps exclusivity of the Sunday.

Maybe they should just run all at the same time. That could be fun.
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