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Old 19 Apr 2012, 23:00 (Ref:3062350)   #476
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Old 20 Apr 2012, 00:28 (Ref:3062386)   #477
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Old 20 Apr 2012, 04:09 (Ref:3062427)   #478
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I like the fact that they could at least face each other in 2014. That means a new car from both so would make sense to extend that into at least 2015.

You'd hope by that time the series would have been boosted enough to be okay if either leaves.
This is what I'm thinking. Preparing a new car is a costly exercise for either marque.
Pending the emergence of any Peugeot-esque business issues for either brand, it seems pretty likely we'd see multiple years of competition between the two.

It's too significant an undertaking for a single season.
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Old 20 Apr 2012, 05:30 (Ref:3062440)   #479
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Thanks Guys - I managed to read it.
Nothing really new, except for the fact that Durheimer continues to push for a participation in F1.
As a Porsche fan, I sincerely hope it is Audi that gets the honor of going to F1.
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Old 20 Apr 2012, 06:07 (Ref:3062450)   #480
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I still would like to see Porsche and Audi duke at it at the WEC and Le Mans. Just for the sake of having more manufacturers. Can't have just 1 or 2 competitive manufacturers like what Audi and to some extent Peugeot had the past 5 years. Porsche, Audi, Toyota, Honda/HPD, possibly Nissan or even Jaguar...

mouth watering. Just like the Group C days.
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Old 20 Apr 2012, 06:20 (Ref:3062455)   #481
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Weren't there rumors saying that Audi wants to go to F1?
This article is just over a year old; what a U turn.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/carraci...Is-Irrelevant/
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Old 20 Apr 2012, 06:39 (Ref:3062458)   #482
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This article is just over a year old; what a U turn.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/carraci...Is-Irrelevant/

Maybe not. It is still not decided who goes to F1. Perhaps Audi will prevail, and Porsche will have to endure going to F1. Who knows.
Remember that Durheimer is ex-Porsche so from Audi's point of view, there is no U-Turn .
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Old 20 Apr 2012, 06:47 (Ref:3062459)   #483
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Maybe not. It is still not decided who goes to F1. Perhaps Audi will prevail, and Porsche will have to endure going to F1. Who knows.
Remember that Durheimer is ex-Porsche so from Audi's point of view, there is no U-Turn .
Durheimer or not, if that's not a U-turn I don't know what is?
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Old 20 Apr 2012, 06:52 (Ref:3062461)   #484
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Not that, because nothing has changed (what Ulrich says in that link is just PR crap). They have flirted with the idea for years and continue to do so. What could be seen an U turn was their lobbying of the Global Race Engine and then suddenly not showing interest: http://en.espnf1.com/fia/motorsport/story/52832.html

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Old 20 Apr 2012, 08:10 (Ref:3062478)   #485
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I still would like to see Porsche and Audi duke at it at the WEC and Le Mans. Just for the sake of having more manufacturers. Can't have just 1 or 2 competitive manufacturers like what Audi and to some extent Peugeot had the past 5 years. Porsche, Audi, Toyota, Honda/HPD, possibly Nissan or even Jaguar...

mouth watering. Just like the Group C days.
The FIA/ACO need to move heaven and earth to ensure Toyota stay and that another couple of manufacturers are lining up come 2014. It's SO important to get the regulations right so that when car companies begin to return to a position of strength, they see an amazing WEC and want to be a part of it.
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This article is just over a year old; what a U turn.
They have been doing doughnuts for years
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It's just meaningless PR talk for both directions... first they give F1/FIA some good publicity by saying that they would be very interested to come and play in the future if thing X changes but then a few days later they give ACO a helping hand by claiming that the endurance racing is the only true and relevant form of motorsports.

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Thanks Guys - I managed to read it.
Nothing really new, except for the fact that Durheimer continues to push for a participation in F1.
As a Porsche fan, I sincerely hope it is Audi that gets the honor of going to F1.
My version of your quote...

As a Porsche fan, and F1 fan, I sincerely hope is Audi that gets the honor of going to F1.



I love both F1 and sports car racing. I even probably watch more F1 of the two. But as much as I like F1, I wouldn't wish the meat-grinder that is F1 upon my worst enemy. I don't care who or how big you are, if you jump into F1, I think it can take at least a decade of constant effort to achieve real results (perform at the top). Maybe being an engine supplier might be OK, but even then, that is tough.

Mercedes basically bought the well established Brawn (aka Honda) team. So not to discount their own hard work, they are reaping the benefit (time and money) that was put into that team by Honda for many years. The could buy someone like Force India, etc. but even then it would be many years to dig out of mid-pack.

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As a Porsche fan, and F1 fan, I sincerely hope is Audi that gets the honor of going to F1.



I love both F1 and sports car racing. I even probably watch more F1 of the two. But as much as I like F1, I wouldn't wish the meat-grinder that is F1 upon my worst enemy. I don't care who or how big you are, if you jump into F1, I think it can take at least a decade of constant effort to achieve real results (perform at the top). Maybe being an engine supplier might be OK, but even then, that is tough.

Mercedes basically bought the well established Brawn (aka Honda) team. So not to discount their own hard work, they are reaping the benefit (time and money) that was put into that team by Honda for many years. The could buy someone like Force India, etc. but even then it would be many years to dig out of mid-pack.

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let's not let F1 dominate this thread.

But on a quick note. BMW bought Sauber and in a few years was scratching Ferrari and Mclaren. It can be done - with the right team.
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Red Bull bought the remnants of Jaguar, signed one guy name Adrian and had favorable new regs, jumped to a 2 time WDC. Audi or Porsche could perhaps buy into an existing team and do the same. But who, or would they? Regardless of who goes where it'll be a great addition to either series.
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Audi or Porsche could perhaps buy into an existing team and do the same. But who, or would they? Regardless of who goes where it'll be a great addition to either series.
Toro Rosso is the theory being banded around.
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Mercedes basically bought the well established Brawn (aka Honda) team. So not to discount their own hard work, they are reaping the benefit (time and money) that was put into that team by Honda for many years. The could buy someone like Force India, etc. but even then it would be many years to dig out of mid-pack.
And Mercedes as an engine supplier already was established.

Only factory team built from zero was Toyota.
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I like F1 because the races are a lot more frequent than the waits i have to go through flollowing WEC/ALMS but I would prefer that WEC suceeded over F1 not that that would ever be allowed to happen.

F1 cars a great spectacle. But WEC seems cheaper and an easier place to use cost capping which would allow more manufactureres who are on the fringe like
Jag, Nissan, Honda!!, GM,Renault! the list goes on.
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I like F1 because the races are a lot more frequent than the waits i have to go through flollowing WEC/ALMS but I would prefer that WEC suceeded over F1 not that that would ever be allowed to happen.

F1 cars a great spectacle. But WEC seems cheaper and an easier place to use cost capping which would allow more manufactureres who are on the fringe like
Jag, Nissan, Honda!!, GM,Renault! the list goes on.
My mouth is watering and i've already had dinner..
I remember in the mid '80s, when it was the World Endurance Championship, which became the Worlds Sports Prototype Championship, seasons having 10 to 11 races and the wait didn't seem so long between them.
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I like F1 because the races are a lot more frequent than the waits i have to go through flollowing WEC/ALMS but I would prefer that WEC suceeded over F1 not that that would ever be allowed to happen.
Not that would ever happen anyway.

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Add 10 more races and much more increased competition (it's not the seconds that cost, but the tenths) and then try calling a series cheap that costs as much as F1 with fraction of the media coverage.

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I remember in the mid '80s, when it was the World Endurance Championship, which became the Worlds Sports Prototype Championship, seasons having 10 to 11 races and the wait didn't seem so long between them.
Initially only the name changed for 1986, because manufactures thought the E word was misleading. If Ratel's series didn't exist now, I think they would have taken another name now too.
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F1 use cars that evolve almost every other race. P1's have two different aero packages. There's no way the current WEC even with the level of competition that F1 has (in terms of involvement) would rival it in costs.
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F1 use cars that evolve almost every other race. P1's have two different aero packages. There's no way the current WEC even with the level of competition that F1 has (in terms of involvement) would rival it in costs.
You've got that mixed up, it's LMP2 cars that are restricted to two aero packages (and one of them to be used solely for Le Mans) in the name of cost capping. LMP1 cars aren't, they can bring aero developments whenever they can or like.
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You've got that mixed up, it's LMP2 cars that are restricted to two aero packages (and one of them to be used solely for Le Mans) in the name of cost capping. LMP1 cars aren't, they can bring aero developments whenever they can or like.
That's right, I'm sorry. Even so, updates to an LMP with 8 rounds even at every round is nowhere close to updates at a possible 20 rounds. Not counting the cost of moving the equipment, the motor homes, etc. to all those different events. F1 is way bigger at the moment than WEC. Not just in terms of popularity either.
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