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Old 22 May 2012, 21:54 (Ref:3078065)   #2451
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The DeltaWing is going to be brutal to drive around the Streets of Long Beach and Baltimore.
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Old 23 May 2012, 13:48 (Ref:3078322)   #2452
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The ALMS needs to dump the P1's in favor of this. LMP1 is dying around the world and the LMP2's have proven to put on a great and balanced show for about a third of the costs. There are really only two chassis options available to privateers and with Lola struggling, HPD might be the only place left to go.

IMSA P1: All Pro P2's + Delta Wing's
IMSA P2: ACO Pro/Am P2's + Pro/Am performance adjusted ALMS LMPC's
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Old 23 May 2012, 14:21 (Ref:3078334)   #2453
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There is exactly ONE all Pro prototype in the ALMS.

If they are going to make a change, just go with P2 and be done with it. Balance in whatever you feel is necessary.
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Old 23 May 2012, 15:03 (Ref:3078347)   #2454
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There is a perception/PR issue though with not having P1, and given that this is the country that likes to call itself #1 more than anybody else, I don't think dropping P1 would go over so well.

BTW, the ALMS site has up an announcement and promo video for the new Porsche Expansion Pack for Forza Motorsport 4, so those tightwads at EA Sports must have loosened up a bit.

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Old 23 May 2012, 15:08 (Ref:3078348)   #2455
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There is exactly ONE all Pro prototype in the ALMS.

If they are going to make a change, just go with P2 and be done with it. Balance in whatever you feel is necessary.
I would support one prototype class in the series. However, I do not know if the Scott Tucker's in the class would.

Hypothetically speaking, this would be a pretty good class next year

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0 Highcroft Racing Delta Wing Nissan
2 Libra Racing Radical SR-10 Ford Ecoboost
5 Muscle Milk Racing Oreca FLM09
05 Core Autosport Oreca FLM09
6 Muscle Milk Racing HPD ARX 03b Honda
06 Core Autosport Oreca FLM09
7 Merchant Services Racing Oreca FLM09
8 Merchant Services Racing Oreca FLM09
9 RSR Oreca FLM09
16 Dyson Racing Lola B12/80 Mazda
18 Performance Tech Oreca FLM09
20 Dyson Racing Lola B12/80 Mazda
25 Dempsey Racing Oreca FLM09
27 Dempsey Racing Lola B12/80 Mazda
37 Conquest Racing Morgan Nissan
52 PR1/Mathiasen Racing Oreca FLM09
54 Black Swan Racing Lola B12/80 Honda
055 Level 5 Motorsports HPD ARX 03b Honda
95 Level 5 Motorsports HPD ARX 03b Honda

The class would be cheaper to run than DP's and give teams a shot at the overall glory.

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Old 24 May 2012, 02:53 (Ref:3078603)   #2456
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I would support one prototype class in the series. However, I do not know if the Scott Tucker's in the class would.

Hypothetically speaking, this would be a pretty good class next year

IMSA Prototypes
0 Highcroft Racing Delta Wing Nissan
2 Libra Racing Radical SR-10 Ford Ecoboost
5 Muscle Milk Racing Oreca FLM09
05 Core Autosport Oreca FLM09
6 Muscle Milk Racing HPD ARX 03b Honda
06 Core Autosport Oreca FLM09
7 Merchant Services Racing Oreca FLM09
8 Merchant Services Racing Oreca FLM09
9 RSR Oreca FLM09
16 Dyson Racing Lola B12/80 Mazda
18 Performance Tech Oreca FLM09
20 Dyson Racing Lola B12/80 Mazda
25 Dempsey Racing Oreca FLM09
27 Dempsey Racing Lola B12/80 Mazda
37 Conquest Racing Morgan Nissan
52 PR1/Mathiasen Racing Oreca FLM09
54 Black Swan Racing Lola B12/80 Honda
055 Level 5 Motorsports HPD ARX 03b Honda
95 Level 5 Motorsports HPD ARX 03b Honda

The class would be cheaper to run than DP's and give teams a shot at the overall glory.
That grid, all-pro cars (aka the Muscle Milk car and maybe the PR1 Mathiasen car if the drivers get reclassified) get 25kilos of ballast would make for a delightful show.

Either IMSA needs to stick their neck out and create an exciting, fast, loud replacement for the struggling P1 grid or do something like that. Two or three cars in the big class does make for a black eye, especially when it is occurring year after year. I'm the biggest ALMS fan-boy I'm aware of and even I am getting tired of the lack of numbers up front. P2 is great, but it would be nice to get ultra-ultra-ultra-fast cars back where they belong (on the grid - and wearing IMSA decals, and being quicker than ACO P1, ideally).

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You cannot put LMPCs on the same class as P1 and P2. Even if you somehow manage to do the dirty performance balancing right there's the issue of different costs... why on earth would you waste your precious money on high tech gear like the HPD if you can just rent a cheap spec Oreca FLM09 and have the same results, hypothetically...
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Old 24 May 2012, 04:55 (Ref:3078621)   #2458
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You cannot put LMPCs on the same class as P1 and P2. Even if you somehow manage to do the dirty performance balancing right there's the issue of different costs... why on earth would you waste your precious money on high tech gear like the HPD if you can just rent a cheap spec Oreca FLM09 and have the same results, hypothetically...
Spot on Chiana, this is the biggest issue with combining classes. How would you feel if you spend $100 on something and then have it restricted so you get the same value as someone who spent $30. For now I believe the classes will have to remain separated for better or worse.
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Old 24 May 2012, 06:20 (Ref:3078634)   #2459
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I would support one prototype class in the series. However, I do not know if the Scott Tucker's in the class would.

Hypothetically speaking, this would be a pretty good class next year

IMSA Prototypes
0 Highcroft Racing Delta Wing Nissan
2 Libra Racing Radical SR-10 Ford Ecoboost
5 Muscle Milk Racing Oreca FLM09
05 Core Autosport Oreca FLM09
6 Muscle Milk Racing HPD ARX 03b Honda
06 Core Autosport Oreca FLM09
7 Merchant Services Racing Oreca FLM09
8 Merchant Services Racing Oreca FLM09
9 RSR Oreca FLM09
16 Dyson Racing Lola B12/80 Mazda
18 Performance Tech Oreca FLM09
20 Dyson Racing Lola B12/80 Mazda
25 Dempsey Racing Oreca FLM09
27 Dempsey Racing Lola B12/80 Mazda
37 Conquest Racing Morgan Nissan
52 PR1/Mathiasen Racing Oreca FLM09
54 Black Swan Racing Lola B12/80 Honda
055 Level 5 Motorsports HPD ARX 03b Honda
95 Level 5 Motorsports HPD ARX 03b Honda

The class would be cheaper to run than DP's and give teams a shot at the overall glory.
Um, I think the Oreca FLM09s has to go. Having them in the IMSA LMPC class suits them.

Oh, and if the ALMS proves that their prototypes are better, faster, and safer than DPs... They need to snatch some teams as well as Ford, Dodge, Chevrolet, and BMW to supply engines.

Otherwise, why not merge both Grand-Am and ALMS. Oh, and add Trans-Am too for the merging of GT class.
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Old 24 May 2012, 06:41 (Ref:3078644)   #2460
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You cannot put LMPCs on the same class as P1 and P2. Even if you somehow manage to do the dirty performance balancing right there's the issue of different costs... why on earth would you waste your precious money on high tech gear like the HPD if you can just rent a cheap spec Oreca FLM09 and have the same results, hypothetically...
Well, there would be ways around that:

- Restrict access to FLMs to the teams that already run one via a grandfathering rule.
- Give the FLMs ever so slightly less performance, but make up for that by having a special trophy for the best FLM team at the end of the season.
- Phase them out over two years in favor of P2s.
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If you're going to restrict them anyway and effectively deny an overall victory from them (and instead just hand a separate trophy), how does that make it any different from being in separate class like it is right now? Plus you'd get all that equivalence BS. No cons, other than to make the class look theoretically bigger in a piece of PR paper

P1/P2 combo is possible and we've seen it in the past but joining PC to that is out of the question for sure...
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If you're going to restrict them anyway and effectively deny an overall victory from them (and instead just hand a separate trophy), how does that make it any different from being in separate class like it is right now? Plus you'd get all that equivalence BS. No cons, other than to make the class look theoretically bigger in a piece of PR paper
How is that different from any other 'grandfathering' rules, though?

Grandfathering in older cars is done all the time when rulesets are changed and they usually are somewhat restricted to motivate people to invest in newer cars.
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I'm probably going to be flamed like hell for this, but:

What if the ALMS let DPs run in P2? They'd probably need to cut out the restrictors or make them a lot larger, but that would be an easy way to get more entries.

Feel free to call the idea stupid or anything, I'm just posing a scenario
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Grandfathering PCs and expecting them to run against P2s and P1s wouldn’t work for a few reasons, I think.

First is cost. P2s don’t do engine rebuilds, I hear, all season long, and cannot do any engine upgrades—engines are sealed units. PCs use cheaper, heavier components everywhere throughout the car, use a spec tire, and are not designed to be widely adjustable.


Not only purchasing cost, but Operating cost, is lower on PCs. Lose that and the class becomes both meaningless as an entry class and possibly unsupportable by the car owners.


To make PCs even close to competitive with P2s and P1s they would need to become a lot more expensive to run, or be given gigantic performance balancing breaks. This would either drive out some of the marginally funded PC teams (thus defeating the whole purpose) or seriously insult the teams which spent a bundle to buy Lolas, Morgans, and HPDs.

Slowing down the top class to include the bottom class doesn’t strike me as a formula for success, but there is only so far PCs can be speeded up without making them real (as opposed to spec) race cars.

This would also involve crew costs. The PC teams would need more engineers and more data acquisition and analysis if they were going to be choosing form a much wider range of dampers, for instance, and had to do more engine and aero work. Again, this could drive up the cost of running a PC to where the teams which can barely run a PC would have to drop out.


Encouraging teams to invest in new cars is great ... if the teams can afford those new cars, and can afford to run them.


As Chiana points out, if they cannot keep pace with the real prototypes, they effectively run in their own class anyway, and lumping them into a unified “P” class would just be hype. But ”grandfathering” wouldn’t work because there would be almost no way to make them both competitive and affordable. It is fine to let some teams run last year’s model if a few kilograms of weight can basically balance their performance with this year’s models, but in PC that just isn’t the case (as I see it.)

Considering Lola might not be making cars next season, I’d imagine that the whole issue might be resolved by once again uniting P1 and P2, and balancing through ballast.

I wouldn’t worry about any of this. In 2014 a whole new definition of all these cars will be promulgated by ACO, and all of these considerations will be moot. Possibly none of the existing cars will be legal, and ALMS will have to make some hard, hard decisions about its rules. Also, the FLM09s are getting a bit old now—they might become a self-solving problem. The question then will be how to create a prototype class formula which is at once affordable and exciting, to meet the specific economic situations faced here in the U.S.?
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Getting more power out of a LS3 engine is prohibitively expensive? Really?

I mean seriously, what are they rated at now, 430hp? You can get nearly 600hp with factory bolt on parts for a road car.
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It's an old LMP1 car so for sure the performance levels can be upped if needed, but that's not the problem...
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Yeah merging LMPC into LMP2 could be done through a larger wing and a smaller restrictor. They were only 3.5% slower at Sebring and as someone stated you do not want to bring them up to full speed. You would expect to see them run 1-2% slower than the class pros with new stuff. If the series could balance LMP1 and LMP2 cars this should not be an issue. As far as LMP1 goes, if Lola is not longer and option, does that mean that HPD is the only option left and that thing is not cheap?
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Well, OAK might still be an option as well, and what's the latest on Zytek, do they still have any plans for P1-cars?
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Just stopping in for a quick Team Falken Tire update!

With the recent modifications to our Porsche (new front splitter and taller and wider rear wing), Falken Tire has done some tire developments that needed some testing as well. Bryan Sellers and the team headed to Road Atlanta for a two day car and tire test. You can read about it here: http://bit.ly/Mpixy2

We also just launched our team online blog! We want to keep the fans as up to date as possible and give everyone as much content as possible! Here's where you'll be able to check out the happenings and behind the scenes insight on Team Falken Tire: http://bit.ly/KPGlJd. We've got some cool features planned and hope to keep the momentum going through this several week break.

For those of you on twitter, we had a great first tweet-up at ALMS Round 3 at Mazda Raceway. We teamed up with RACER Magazine to hold a 45 min gathering of our twitter followers early in the morning on race day. Despite the cold weather, we still had a decent turn out and it was great to meet fans, and chat about the team and series! ... I think they liked the free gear too.


Check out Tony, third from the left, wearing a wolf hat to show his support of our Wolf Henzler. Wolf got a huge kick out of it and agreed with me that Tony could sell them at the track, especially races like Mazda Raceway or Petit when the temperature drops!



If you're not following us on twitter yet, you can find us at twitter.com/FalkenALMS.

As Purist brought up, our Porsche is now on the new Expansion Pack on Forza 4. The reviews from fans seem to be pretty great. Glad everyone likes it! I'm still amazed with the attention to detail from Turn 10 Studios. incredible!
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I mean seriously, what are they rated at now, 430hp? You can get nearly 600hp with factory bolt on parts for a road car.
That's right... Give me $2,000 and I'll build one myself that will put down 550hp, last all season, and get better mileage.
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On the customer front, is the Dome S102 a one-off, or is it possible that there could be a production run of them?
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are the modifications done to the car official mods from Porsche or modifications performed by the team?
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are the modifications done to the car official mods from Porsche or modifications performed by the team?
Porsche Motorsport North America worked/petitioned with IMSA and the ACO and FIA to allow for the new front splitter and the modified rear wing. Once the changes were approved, Porsche did some quick wind tunnel testing and had everything made for the three Porsche ALMS teams just in time to be delivered for our first day on track at MRLS. The other changes, such as the taller tires, were changes made by the team and Falken Tire corp.

On that note, coming up soon, we'll have an inside look on Porsche Motorsport North America and Team Falken Tire. I'll be sure to post a link when the time comes.
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