Fuji, not Suzuka

[We Love Osella]

Suzuka was designed by Hugenholz, the same guy who designed Zandvoort. Where did he go and why don't they go to Tanaka now

[Gt_R]

I believe that it is important for F1, with sufficient knowledge, to establish a "classic-circuits" enhancement scheme. With the support of the circuit owners and government (to pledge continuous maintainance and financial support), F1 should help preserve the following circuits ie Silverstone, Monza, Suzuka, Monaco, Spa. Circuits which took part in F1 for more than 15 years, and gaining favourable support from a panel made up of team owner, fans, drivers who will vote, will qualify the circuit for this scheme. These circuits will constitute at least 5-6 races, hence we won't let money and politics get in the way of erasing some great circuit names.

[We Love Osella]

Am I the only one living in the real world here. It was the same as the coal mines, If it can't make money it goes under. If you continue chucking money at it you'll only lose more money and then more money. If they can't support themselves, then, Bye Bye

[safc_fan89]

Even some of the new circuits are apparently recording losses because they have to pay so much to host an F1 race. That's what seems to be happening at Malaysia anyway, if I have interpreted an article correctly.

F1 needs the classic venues, venues that challenge the driver and are different, which Spa, Monza and Suzuka definitely are.

Tracks can't afford to host F1 races because they have to fork out so much just to host it! That's not right.

[We Love Osella]

[QUOTE=safc_fan89 F1 needs the classic venues, [/QUOTE]

Why? F1 will continue, doesn't matter where it is held

[safc_fan89]

Because the new venues are all boring.

[Kicking-back]

Turkey? Boring?

Hockenheim? Boring?


You're watching the wrong sport, boy.

[We Love Osella]

If the classic circuits go because they are in financial trouble, new ones will be built. F1 is never going to the Nordschlieffe again, it's too dangerous, so others will take their place

[safc_fan89]

Bahrain, boring. China, boring. Hockenheim, produces good races but again is boring. Turkey and Malaysia seem to be exceptions, I think they are both decent tracks, but there are too many similar tracks. There are no other tracks on the F1 calendar like Suzuka, Monza and Spa and never will be again.

[Kicking-back]

If a track produces good races how can it be boring?

[We Love Osella]

That's life safc_fan, nearly called you something else there. Try watching IRL races, where most of them are on ovals, now that's all the same

[Kicking-back]

Ovals are not "all the same" by any stretch of the imagination.

[safc_fan89]

Boring in terms of layout. Bahrain is terrible in that respect.

[We Love Osella]

Originally Posted by Kicking-back

Ovals are not "all the same" by any stretch of the imagination.

No you're quite right.

But they all just turn left, that's what I meant

[Kicking-back]

The layout doesn't matter, safcfan89 - you're not driving it.

Bahrain and Hockenheim produce great racing.

Having read many of your posts, I get the impression you have "it must have been better before my time" syndrome - anything you've learned from books and old tapes will always seem more intriguing than what you live through.

[safc_fan89]

Originally Posted by We Love Osella

That's life safc_fan, nearly called you something else there. Try watching IRL races, where most of them are on ovals, now that's all the same

In oval races, you actually get good racing though. In F1, I don't mind boring tracks if the races are good. But if a track is boring and the races there are also boring, like Hungary for example, then it really shouldn't be on the calendar.

[safc_fan89]

Originally Posted by Kicking-back

The layout doesn't matter, safcfan89 - you're not driving it.

Bahrain and Hockenheim produce great racing.

Having read many of your posts, I get the impression you have "it must have been better before my time" syndrome - anything you've learned from books and old tapes will always seem more intriguing than what you live through.

Bahrain only produced 'great racing' this year because Pedro de la Rosa's overtaking skills were very rusty. Other than that, little happened in the race.

What I've seen on video and DVD from the Senna-Prost period was much more intriguing than recent seasons. You can't say that the races in 2005 were more interesting than the races in 1988 for example. Because in my opinion at least, this season's races were boring.

[We Love Osella]

I don't think Hungary is boring, a lot of the drivers don't think so either

[safc_fan89]

Well I'm not driving it, am I!

[We Love Osella]

Originally Posted by safc_fan89

Well I'm not driving it, am I!

No, but just because you're not driving it it doesn't make it boring. Some of the races at Jarama were really boring. Now that is an awful circuit

[safc_fan89]

From am armchair fan's point of view, Hungary is the worst track currently on the calendar. There's nothing even remotely interesting about it, and the onlt half-decent race there in recent years was in 2003. The rest there have been processional.

[We Love Osella]

And you never get a procession at Monaco do you

[safc_fan89]

Well as you probably know, I'm not Monaco's biggest fan since they took away some of the challenge in 2003. Ste Devote and la Rascasse are too easy now. Little to no danger of getting it wrong.

[We Love Osella]

That's the point though. Monaco is supposed to be a classic track. One of the ones everyone wants to save

[safc_fan89]

Well it's a matter of opinion isn't it? I can't imagine the drivers or teams would be too thrilled if Monaco just disappeared. I wouldn't mind that much.