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Old 3 Sep 2008, 16:14 (Ref:2280939)   #1
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Long time no see

Here´s my next track after a long break. The longer variant is about 5,2 km long. The track is clockwise and according to Google Earth it has elavation changes of about 20 metres from highest to lowest point of the track. Hope you like it because I have put a bit more detail in it than I normally do.
PS: I´m sure that Luiggi would like to ride that corner in the left hand side.
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Old 3 Sep 2008, 17:22 (Ref:2280985)   #2
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Ahh a fantastic circuit, excellent. Looks like it'd make a very nice motorcycle circuit. Throw into some rolling gradients and it'd be complete. Fantastic effort.


That said, I'm a little bit perturbed that you haven't detailed exactly how much asphalt you'd intend to use and how many grains of sand I could expect to find in the gravel traps.
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Old 3 Sep 2008, 17:38 (Ref:2280999)   #3
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Ok, Shambles, chill just a bit.
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Ahh a fantastic circuit, excellent. Looks like it'd make a very nice motorcycle circuit. Throw into some rolling gradients and it'd be complete. Fantastic effort.


That said, I'm a little bit perturbed that you haven't detailed exactly how much asphalt you'd intend to use and how many grains of sand I could expect to find in the gravel traps.
Thanks for the compliments! I just had to laugh when I read the last part of your post.
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HAHA - that WAS the intention of the comments
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Old 3 Sep 2008, 18:16 (Ref:2281027)   #7
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May I offer the suggestion that the chicane in the second half of the lap be made an option, with the circuit sweeping to the left from the right handed sweeper.
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Old 3 Sep 2008, 20:49 (Ref:2281164)   #8
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That might just be what this track needs. I think it can offer some great racing, and quite some overtaking, but you change can give it a breathtaking section that it misses. Although the right-sweeper is quite a corner on itself already, especially for bikes i imagine.
I wonder though how I can reach the paddock?
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I agree with shambles - it's a great design. Bikes came into my mind also.

I love the way you took the existing patches of vegetation into consideration. Something I was always keen on doing when working with Google maps background.

SBF's idea would, i think, work pretty well also.

Where's the location, by the way?

(And one question that will put my inadequate Google Earth skills pretty much in the limelight: how do you get elevation info from Google Earth?)
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Old 4 Sep 2008, 01:15 (Ref:2281301)   #10
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Great stuff there Iceman. I'm digging that track and I agree with SBF about that chicane being an optional thing. I'm sure that it would be good for both cars and bikes. Kudos
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About the location, I'm guessing by some of the names of the roads and places, somewhere in Finland.
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Using the latitude ans longitude

It appears to be about 4 miles from the edge of Helsenki, 12 miles from the center
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(And one question that will put my inadequate Google Earth skills pretty much in the limelight: how do you get elevation info from Google Earth?)
If you look at the image, in the centre of the info bar at the bottom. Kork. is I presume an abreviation for the Finnish word for Elevation (above sea level). Simply move the cursor over any landscape (when at a reasonable resiloution) in Google Earth and you'll see this number appear.
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In my point of view, I´d like to leave the chicane there, but also add the option to bypass it like in SBF´s edit. Main reasons for it are that the chicane would be a possible overtaking spot for some touring cars etc. and also the flatoutish(if it´s a word) run without the chicane would be a bit too long for slower classes. One of the main reasons why I put it there is that it adds variety to the track.

As for the location, it is about 8,5 km north of the center of Espoo and about 19 km northwest from Helsinki city center. It is also only about 1,2 km north of Lake Bodom. It would be a nice site, but I don´t think it´s realistic, because there are a lot of farmers and I don´t think they would like this idea(but I hope they would )
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I like the chicane but would also build in an option. I'd leave the straight as the option because the chicane is cool.
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I'd say that Snetterton, Thruxton, and Macau debunk that argument about smaller classes and touring cars, but that's just me. Also, the hard right-hander at the end of that section should provide plenty of scope for overtaking. Aside from that, I've never cared for chicanes, and especially when they're just there for the sake of having one on the circuit (just for variety's sake).
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Old 5 Sep 2008, 00:31 (Ref:2282010)   #17
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Wow Iceman that's a gorgeous little track meng!

The only thing I would change is...





...put it in my backyard!!!!


Ok, one thing, on the last corner before the straight,I would extend the run off area a couple more meters into the straight section, given the angle of the curve,It calls for really straightening it up a lot, and the outer point would be pretty deep,maybe around where your pit lane in is right now.

Also analize the pit in routine,try to visualize if drivers entering will have it easy.I thinl we analyzed one such pit entrances not long ago.
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