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Old 17 Jul 2010, 02:56 (Ref:2727863)   #1
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Old 17 Jul 2010, 03:23 (Ref:2727865)   #2
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Squire Manswell and his comments are as useful as a one armed paper hanger ...........
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Old 17 Jul 2010, 07:47 (Ref:2727891)   #3
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Did he want a spec formula in 1992?

And he is still bitter about how Hamilton got to F1 and his two boys will never make it.

Please, someone... Make him stop.
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Old 17 Jul 2010, 07:53 (Ref:2727894)   #4
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He has a point about about F1 using technology, but then taking it way beyond any practical use for road cars in order to find that extra bit of speed. This costs money. Look at aero for instance!

I think he's also quite right about the 'manufacturing' of Hamilton.

The engineers would much prefer 'robots' anyway, I think.

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Old 17 Jul 2010, 08:43 (Ref:2727907)   #5
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Mansell lived in a hole and worked 27 hours a day down pit.
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Old 17 Jul 2010, 16:37 (Ref:2728074)   #6
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It would be good to compare drivers in equal cars though, wouldn't it? Then we'd be able to answer the question about who's the best. Although maybe with different teams running the same car, there'd still be big differences, like you see in GP2.

As for Mansell's sons not getting an opportunity, hmm, might that be because they're not good enough? 'You have to be supported from down here now, so anywhere in the middle you don't get the support'. Does that mean supported from a young age? They even have the Mansell name going for them, so if they're still not anywhere near F1, it's because they're probably not good enough.
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Old 17 Jul 2010, 16:46 (Ref:2728083)   #7
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'You have to be supported from down here now, so anywhere in the middle you don't get the support'. Does that mean supported from a young age?
I think Nigel means you need a good set of underpants for the support "down here".

"Anywhere in the middle and you don't get the support." Perhaps this is what is holding Greg and Leo back, they are wearing their underpants around their midriff, which is just too high and would cause discomfort.

Of course Nige probably wants spec underwear too, but that would only cause problems for some drivers. This would be especially exacerbated should Danica Patrick come to F1 and discover she has to don a set of Barrichello sized Y-fronts.

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Old 17 Jul 2010, 17:07 (Ref:2728099)   #8
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I think Nigel means you need a good set of underpants for the support "down here".

"Anywhere in the middle and you don't get the support." Perhaps this is what is holding Greg and Leo back, they are wearing their underpants around their midriff, which is just too high and would cause discomfort.

Of course Nige probably wants spec underwear too, but that would only cause problems for some drivers. This would be especially exacerbated should Danica Patrick come to F1 and discover she has to don a set of Barrichello sized Y-fronts.
I'm having thoughts about Danica Patrick in a big pair of y-fronts now. Its time for my medication I think.
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Old 17 Jul 2010, 19:57 (Ref:2728209)   #9
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I'm having thoughts about Danica Patrick in a big pair of y-fronts now. Its time for my medication I think.
Anything is big compared to her...

A spec series ends up with something like IndyCar surely? I always have a weird feeling that when I'm watching a spec series talent is being wasted. This weekend I'm at the IMechE Formula Student and some of the engineering talent on show is impressive, all sorts of weird and wonderful ideas! A spec series kills that deader than the dodo.
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Old 17 Jul 2010, 20:42 (Ref:2728239)   #10
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It doesn't necessarily matter how good you are. What matters is that you get spotted very young and have backers early on.

It's like watching some of the events at the Olympics. If your grandparents aren't Holocaust survivors, your mom hasn't had cancer (survivor or now deceased), and you haven't been living your chosen discipline since before you were five, "nobody" gives a crap about you.
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Old 17 Jul 2010, 22:15 (Ref:2728277)   #11
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Old 17 Jul 2010, 22:31 (Ref:2728285)   #12
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I don't mean to be dramatic, but seriously advocating for making F1 a spec series is the worst idea ever.

If you want spec racing, watch IndyCar, NASCAR, Porsche Supercup, GP2, etc. etc.

F1 is NOT spec.
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Old 18 Jul 2010, 00:14 (Ref:2728305)   #13
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F1 is NOT spec, but with some volition could have customer cars as MotoGP has, and F1 itself had in the past.
Problem is, that almost all formulae below F1 became spec ones, with costs uprising since 1980s, how can you revert to the "old-school" multi-chassis era on, say, Indy scheme???
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Old 18 Jul 2010, 03:58 (Ref:2728330)   #14
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Having read the afticle, I don't think he's advocating a spec series per se.

To quote one paragraph:
'The only real way to completely level out differences between teams is of course for all the cars to be identical but Mansell concedes that is unlikely to happen. "You can't stop people making new inventions and technology going forward," he says. However, he adds, "I think it sometimes can be slowed down." '
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You could already argue that F1 is a spec series, and has been for quite some time!

They look like other open wheel series cars, they are operated in a similar way, they are not too dissimilar in performance to quite a few of them, and are sometimes inferior to others in specification.

The only 'real' difference is in the detail, and that's certainly where the 'devil' is in F1's case!
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You could already argue that F1 is a spec series, and has been for quite some time!

They look like other open wheel series cars, they are operated in a similar way, they are not too dissimilar in performance to quite a few of them, and are sometimes inferior to others in specification.

The only 'real' difference is in the detail, and that's certainly where the 'devil' is in F1's case!
Considering chassis are now built to a rigid specification, as are engines, (long gone are the days of 3.0L V12s and V8s), I think the argument for F1 having become a spec series is valid. The purist may argue it isn't a spec series, however it certainly looks like it's heading that way.
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Yeah I think so, and then we can switch to wrestling with no guilty feeling at all.
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People want to see the drivers in identical cars so they can work out who is THE best driver, once and for all, but it's pointless. Even if everyone's got the same car, some teams will be better than others.

I think people should accept the sport for what it is instead of chasing this holy grail.
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No, I couldn't watch wrestling! The competitors are often grossly mis-matched. Oh, wait though........

I don't particularly want a 'spec' series. I just don't see the point in having a runaway 'spending competition'. Which I think is what 'Nige' was getting at.
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I still think the best solution for F1 is to become a reality show.
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I don't particularly want a 'spec' series. I just don't see the point in having a runaway 'spending competition'. Which I think is what 'Nige' was getting at.
Didn't he say in that article that it cost $110,000,000 to run an F1 team?
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I still think the best solution for F1 is to become a reality show.
As opposed to the current format that is devoid of reality.
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Didn't he say in that article that it cost $110,000,000 to run an F1 team?
Not including the 'motorhomes'.
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As opposed to the current format that is devoid of reality.
It has often been said that the current F1 paddock has no idea of what is going on in the real world.
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Not including the 'motorhomes'.
Red Bull have a swimming pool; I wonder how long it will be until everyone else will copy them. After all everyone has now copied the McLaren's f-duct, so it must be only a matter of time.
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