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7 Dec 2006, 01:54 (Ref:1783750) | #1 | ||
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Brabham BT 9 (Formula 3 1964)
BT9's have always intrigued me,I have some chassis numbers,maybe some of
the people here can help? Also,some cars built as Formula Junior. F3-1-64 Donald Fletcher BMC A Type F3-2-64 Robert Ashcroft (Derek Bannett) 105E F3-3-64 Mike Knight, Winfield Racing (as F.Junior 105E)!!!! F3-4-64 Giannini A&D (Mario Pandolfo & Massimo Natili) F3-5-64 ? Sports Motors Rodney Bloor F3-6-64 Patrick Dal Bo Holbay 105E F3-7-64 Asc. Scharther. Bombe, Gerrard Kramer F3-8-64 ? H.C.Goodwin (John Cardwell) F3-9-64 ? Jean Blanc F3-10-64 ? Frank Williams F3-11-64 ? F3-12-64 ? These 2 cars for Scuderia Lufthansa, Herman Dorner and Hans Dieter Dechant Also known with these cars--- Picko Troberg,Manfred Mohr,Walter Habbegger,Adrian Chambers,and the Radio Caroline cars. Cheers Denis |
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7 Dec 2006, 08:36 (Ref:1783845) | #2 | |
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The trouble with BT9s is that they have become BT6s(wonder why???? )
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7 Dec 2006, 08:45 (Ref:1783852) | #3 | ||
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Denis,
Any idea which one of these became the Blackjack Formula Ford 1600? Alan Minshaw drove this in the UK and would like to get it back. |
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7 Dec 2006, 23:40 (Ref:1784555) | #4 | ||
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Giannini car also run by Starabba in 1964
F1R gives F3.1.64 in 1965 for the Felton Racing car of Mike Gill, but then describes it usefully as a BT15... F1R gives F3.3.64 for Dal Bo in 1965 Krammer noted still using F3.7.64 as late as 1967 F3.12.64 also given for Ken Sager down under... Is John Peterson's late 64 BT9 a rebuild of his BT6?? Chris |
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8 Dec 2006, 00:02 (Ref:1784567) | #5 | ||
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F3-3-64 , sold new to Michael Knight [ Winfield Racing] 22-2-1964 , Won both heats Japanese G.P 3-5-64 , refer photo Autosport March 13th 1964 p.335 of cars being readied to go to Japan.
Car then used by Knight at Leinster Trophy - Ireland , placed 5th. then Hawthorne Trophy at Snetterton , sold to Arsenio[ Dodgie] Laurel and used at Macau , K.L. etc , with a twin-cam , then to Rodney Seow [ Singapore ] then to Mike Truter [ Singapore ] traded to Brian Wilson , Australia , along with BT23C for an Austin Healey 100/6 circa 1983 , imported to Australia , and sold to Gary Simkin , rebuilt and finished about 1990 , then sold about two years later to N.Z. Bryan. |
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12 Dec 2006, 22:41 (Ref:1789352) | #6 | ||
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F3-3-64
F3-3-64
From Gary Simkin to Alan Woolfe in NZ, and he loves the car. |
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25 Sep 2009, 07:28 (Ref:2547810) | #7 | ||
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Best handling car that I/ve driven..........Rodney Seow |
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13 Dec 2006, 21:23 (Ref:1790116) | #8 | ||
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The car that lived in New Zealand for some years is associated with the number F3-12-64. As Chris mentioned above, it is said by Vercoe to be Ken Sager's 'new' car for 1965 but I notice Denis has it on his list of BT6s as F3-12-63, ex-Denis O'Sullivan.
According to Vercoe, a duplicate chassis was built in the late 1960s and this went to Barney Pellow who drove it in the 1970 New Zealand GP. It would have been running as a New Zealand National Formula 1600cc car at that time but became a Formula Ford some time later. Should I think of this Pellow car as a BT6 or a BT9? Allen |
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15 Dec 2006, 09:06 (Ref:1791204) | #9 | |||
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I never heard of the Pellow duplication until Vercoe's book came out (1990?). I still have difficulty with it, as the original and the 'clone' never seemed to race at the same time. I wonder if in fact the so-called cloning was simply a replacement frame for the original BT6 |
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15 Dec 2006, 10:07 (Ref:1791238) | #10 | ||
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OK, I'll call it BT6 F3-12-63 for now and add a footnote.
Thanks Allen |
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15 Dec 2006, 10:35 (Ref:1791257) | #11 | ||
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Sorry - I mean FJ-12-63.
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18 Jan 2007, 22:24 (Ref:1818859) | #12 | ||
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Does anyone know whether any Bt9's went to the USA at any point for FB/C/FF?
Info on this model seems very light. |
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18 Jan 2007, 22:46 (Ref:1818881) | #13 | ||
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I'm not aware of any going to the US but it's possible as they'd have been suitable for Formula C in its early - and poorly reported - seasons.
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18 Jan 2007, 23:01 (Ref:1818896) | #14 | ||
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Wayne Mitchell has one, he posts here sometimes but don't know whether it was ever used over there, plus I found one in Texas a couple of years ago but unfortunately have nothing on it before the mid 80's and not sure whether the the owner still has it.
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22 May 2007, 07:51 (Ref:1918531) | #15 | ||
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un identify Brabham chassis
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22 May 2007, 10:55 (Ref:1918668) | #16 | ||
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Can you try posting the photos again, they don't seem to be working.
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24 May 2007, 11:21 (Ref:1920207) | #17 | ||
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pictures finaly posted !!!
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10 Feb 2008, 08:21 (Ref:2125531) | #18 | ||
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Pellow brabham
Hi there,
I purchased the Pellow Brabham from Barny in 1970 and raced it in the NZ Formula Ford championship for 2 seasons. The number was FJ-15-63 (or 61). I understood it was a BT15 but I don't think it could have been. After I backed it into a fence at Levin, we repolaced the rear uprights with some from a BT18 and the body from a Titan. I feel really bad about that now, but at the time, every 10th of a second was worth having. I have somne photos if it is of interest. regards, Frank |
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24 May 2007, 16:15 (Ref:1920383) | #19 | ||
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We could do with Ted paying a visit and opining.
If Peter's right about the pedals and the short uprights - and I'm sure he is - it's either a 1964 or 1965 Brabham. The AM number that should be stamped on the rear would tell us which. |
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25 May 2007, 08:27 (Ref:1920842) | #20 | ||
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Peter I thought Brabhams from BT6 onwards had pendant and floor mounted pedals. I have certainly seen photos of a genuine BT6 with pendant pedals and also a BT9.
I think your right in saying its more likely to be a modified Bt14/15/16 if it is a Brabham at all. It looks a bit rough around the edges for a Brabham. Its certainly been modded heavily. Look at the front anti roll bar, the additional strenghtening in the cockpit and engine bay, plus the water pipes in the chassis as you say. |
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27 May 2007, 17:09 (Ref:1922249) | #22 | ||
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I meant paying a visit to the thread, not a physical visit. He's good with photos.
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28 May 2007, 06:58 (Ref:1922540) | #23 | ||
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This car was recently offered for sale and presented as a Formula Junior by the owner ...
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28 May 2007, 07:59 (Ref:1922557) | #24 | |
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The chassis appears to have have "too many tubes" in it.Without seeing it in the flesh after a good bead blasting its impossible to identify.
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