[WEC] Porsche Prototype Discussion

[wewantourdarbyback]

How long have they been working on the full blown P1 effort and how does that compare to Toyota?

If it's been a few years I can't see why some form of it might not start running soon, even if it is just parts under another body.

[Maelochs]

Porsche will stick with the 911 because they actually sell the 911 to customers---not just racers.

I doubt they could make a anywhere near the profit profit selling the 918.

[CTD]

Originally Posted by arakis

and why is that, they are letting anyone in at the moment, if the z4 gets in (which will basically be a prototype) a don't relay see why the 918 can't get in...

Originally Posted by wewantourdarbyback

I can't see why they would stick with the 911 if they believed their teams would have a better chance with the 918?

Originally Posted by Maelochs

Porsche will stick with the 911 because they actually sell the 911 to customers---not just racers.

I doubt they could make a anywhere near the profit profit selling the 918.

Maelochs is rights. There isn't nearly as much PR profit in the 918 as there is in the 911.

But the main reasons is simply that the 918 hybrid system is not allowed in GTE! And there will NOT be build the 2500 cars over 12 months as regulations states.
Therefor, the 918 will NEVER be homologated for GTE.

[TF110]

So why did Lexus build a GTE of the LFA? Only 500 of those will be made. I don't think the ACO would have an issue with that aspect.

[Victor_RO]

Originally Posted by TF110

So why did Lexus build a GTE of the LFA? Only 500 of those will be made. I don't think the ACO would have an issue with that aspect.

Maybe that was the hanging point which meant the car couldn't be homologated and it's now gathering dust in the TMG workshop?

[CTD]

Originally Posted by TF110

So why did Lexus build a GTE of the LFA? Only 500 of those will be made. I don't think the ACO would have an issue with that aspect.

Until Lexus starts racing it, in a ACO race, i doubt ACO will bend the production rules...

The production rules are the only thing keeping the GTE class from overflowing with Homologation specials, like the Gr. B rally cars and more extreme the "GT1's" from the late 90's.

[TF110]

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Maybe that was the hanging point which meant the car couldn't be homologated and it's now gathering dust in the TMG workshop?

No, it actually took a backseat to the TS030, sadly.

Originally Posted by CTD

Until Lexus starts racing it, in a ACO race, i doubt ACO will bend the production rules...

The production rules are the only thing keeping the GTE class from overflowing with Homologation specials, like the Gr. B rally cars and more extreme the "GT1's" from the late 90's.

Spyker was in the class, and rumored to make a return with the C8. Spyker, which has sold all of 290-300 cars in total. What'd the rules say about that car?

[CTD]

Originally Posted by TF110

No, it actually took a backseat to the TS030, sadly.
Spyker was in the class, and rumored to make a return with the C8. Spyker, which has sold all of 290-300 cars in total. What'd the rules say about that car?

There hasn't been a Spyker GTE car.
I can't remember the production figures for GT2, but yes, GT2 was very relaxed with car entries. However with the GT1 gone their isn't a natural upper class for cars like the 918, and therefor ACO is likely to regulate harder on the production minimum to ensure they homologation specials will ruin the class.

But i feel this discussion is going of topic, and pointless as most of us in here knows the 918 won't be homologated for GTE.

[TF110]

The point I'm making is there's nothing holding low production # cars from entering. If it's a manufacturer and they say we want to run this, the ACO would probably let them. Especially someone like Porsche!

[CTD]

Originally Posted by TF110

The point I'm making is there's nothing holding low production # cars from entering. If it's a manufacturer and they say we want to run this, the ACO would probably let them. Especially someone like Porsche!

To a very certain point I agree (the point being the car is equal it's competitors), but after that point I totally disagree.

[Victor_RO]

Originally Posted by TF110

Spyker was in the class, and rumored to make a return with the C8. Spyker, which has sold all of 290-300 cars in total. What'd the rules say about that car?

Provisions were made for small car manufacturers, production runs of at least 25 cars/year were allowed to go into GTE if the ACO approved the car as being fit for the class. And since neither Porsche nor Lexus can be classified as small car manufacturers, I don't think either manufacturer's halo model would be allowed into GTE.

[arakis]

there are 0 Z4s with V8 made, yet they will race -Makeing it not even a homologation special, but a total full blown prototype with 0 connection to the road car...

It's the same as if porsche used in 90s the real 911 as the homogenization for the 911 gt1

[porman]

Originally Posted by arakis

there are 0 Z4s with V8 made, yet they will race -Makeing it not even a homologation special, but a total full blown prototype with 0 connection to the road car...

It's the same as if porsche used in 90s the real 911 as the homogenization for the 911 gt1

The front structure of the 1996 GT1 was off of a 993.

If the rule makers leave loopholes, it is only natural in competition for someone to exploit them.

[1969MGCGTdriver]

Originally Posted by arakis

there are 0 Z4s with V8 made, yet they will race -Makeing it not even a homologation special, but a total full blown prototype with 0 connection to the road car...

It's the same as if porsche used in 90s the real 911 as the homogenization for the 911 gt1

It's the same thing that BMW did with the M3 GTR...

[CTD]

Shouldn't we let this OT die now?, there really isn't anymore in it.

[hondafan37]

So it could be the 918 Flying Lizard
http://www.autobahnbound.com/2011/06...er-renderings/
http://teamspeed.com/forums/gt/38100...e-918-rsr.html

[Lorenzo S]

Originally Posted by hondafan37

So it could be the 918 Flying Lizard
http://www.autobahnbound.com/2011/06...er-renderings/
http://teamspeed.com/forums/gt/38100...e-918-rsr.html

Not too sure if you're being serious here, but this story is just a bunch of pretty pictures put together by a 13 year old. There is no substance to this as a news worthy event what so ever.

A classic example of how internet rumour can get completely out of hand.

[CTD]

Originally Posted by hondafan37

So it could be the 918 Flying Lizard
http://www.autobahnbound.com/2011/06...er-renderings/
http://teamspeed.com/forums/gt/38100...e-918-rsr.html

If you look closely you can see a GT1 sticker on it.
So if it where real, it was not meant for GTE.
But let's drop this 918 subject. It's off topic to the Porsche LMP1.

[TF110]

It's actually 'if it WERE real' Helping ya out with some English.

[CTD]

Originally Posted by TF110

It's actually 'if it WERE real' Helping ya out with some English.

Thank you, Grammar and spelling is far from my strongest sides

[Bentley03]

Originally Posted by CTD

Thank you, Grammar and spelling is far from my strongest sides

Don't worry mate, we understand you perfectly.

Imagine if we all had to post in Danish.........

[Spyderman]

Originally Posted by TF110

It's actually 'if it WERE real' Helping ya out with some English.

Actually it is "if it was real". In order for it to be "if it were real", the "it" would have to be plural, and therefore it would read: "If they were real.

Anyway, back to the Porsche LMP1: No news yet.

[arakis]

Originally Posted by Spyderman

Anyway, back to the Porsche LMP1: No news yet.

That's a funny sentence....As in, you're changing the subject to nothing

Any idea if they'll keep the williams/porchse flywheel or will they switch to super caps

[Victor_RO]

Originally Posted by Spyderman

Actually it is "if it was real". In order for it to be "if it were real", the "it" would have to be plural, and therefore it would read: "If they were real.

Off topic comment alert I have to type this or my brain will explode! It's "were", only the plural form of "to be" is used in the second "if" conditional whatever the number of the subject. Thanks for reading, you've been a wonderful audience. Don't forget to try the veal and tip your waitress. We now return you to the topic

And with that let's end the grammar debate.

[Spyderman]

Originally Posted by arakis

That's a funny sentence....As in, you're changing the subject to nothing

Any idea if they'll keep the williams/porchse flywheel or will they switch to super caps

If I were (or is it "was"?) to be honest, I would (or is it "will") tell you that I have no news.