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Old 1 Aug 2010, 14:23 (Ref:2737422)   #26
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That was more like the Schumacher of old.

David Coulthard: "He never knows when to give it up". You could say that about his career. Oh and David's just said it.
I'm pretty sure Michael probably thought the same about David after Spa 98'. I doubt it would bother him much.
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Old 1 Aug 2010, 14:23 (Ref:2737423)   #27
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does the term grumpy old man say something here, Barrichello has a right to be very upset, there was no need for that move from Schumacher.
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Old 1 Aug 2010, 14:24 (Ref:2737424)   #28
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I think now might be a good time, DISGRACEFUL incident with Rubens if he doesn't retire now Merecedes should sack him.
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Old 1 Aug 2010, 14:32 (Ref:2737449)   #29
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I think now might be a good time, DISGRACEFUL incident with Rubens if he doesn't retire now Merecedes should sack him.
Why was it disgraceful exactly? He gave him just enough room, thats all. If he wanted to pit him into the wall then he would have. Was what Vettel did at the start of the last race disgraceful too? Is it disgraceful anytime someone puts the squeeze on?
It would have been disagraceful if an accident had been caused, I agree on that but I don't see the move as any different from any other piece of defending apart from Michael's name being attached to it.
We want close racing but then as soon as anyone close to another car or defends a position then its suddenly disgraceful.
We'll be taking Michael's 1994 and Senna's 1990 championship away from them next.
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Why was it disgraceful exactly? He gave him just enough room, thats all. If he wanted to pit him into the wall then he would have. Was what Vettel did at the start of the last race disgraceful too? Is it disgraceful anytime someone puts the squeeze on?
It would have been disagraceful if an accident had been caused, I agree on that but I don't see the move as any different from any other piece of defending apart from Michael's name being attached to it.
We want close racing but then as soon as anyone close to another car or defends a position then its suddenly disgraceful.
We'll be taking Michael's 1994 and Senna's 1990 championship away from them next.
Comparing a squeeze at the start for position 1 towards the green with a hard push at the straight for position 10 towards the wall is a "little" misguided... And if you've seen so many similar defending moves, just name 3. Thank you.
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When should Mercedes replace Schumacher?

To turn the question on its head, when should Mercedes replace Schumacher?

In hindsight, Heidfeld would have done better.
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Comparing a squeeze at the start for position 1 towards the green with a hard push at the straight for position 10 towards the wall is a "little" misguided... And if you've seen so many similar defending moves, just name 3. Thank you.
I think you have the terms 'hard push' and 'squeeze' attached to the wrong incidents there. Vettel's incident (which I saw nothing wrong with) was a hard push, Michaels incident was a dink to the right, hardly a hard push, more of a squeeze.
Oh and most overtakes in the history of the sport involve this sort of thing, this was an extreme version I'll give you that but at the same time whether going 200 MPH or 60 MPH a squeeze is a squeeze, there isn't a difference.
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Schumacher should be suspended for at least one race.
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Old 1 Aug 2010, 14:54 (Ref:2737482)   #34
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Schumacher should be suspended for at least one race.
So should most of the people this season then. So should have Barrichello for some of his boneheads moves at the start of last season. So should have have Kubica and Vettel for their crash at Aussie a few years back.
So should have Hamilton for his weaving incident earlier in the year.

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Oh and most overtakes in the history of the sport involve this sort of thing, this was an extreme version I'll give you that but at the same time whether going 200 MPH or 60 MPH a squeeze is a squeeze, there isn't a difference.
so theres no difference between a 60 MPH incident and a 200 MPH incident.
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Maybe the stewards should show Michael This to think about, for the next time he pulls one of his dangerous moves.
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That was pathetic. This is why I don't care for this driver. Absolutely disgusting. Cannot believe his quote to the media. Totally arrogant.
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Maybe the stewards should show Michael This to think about, for the next time he pulls one of his dangerous moves.
HOLY SMOKES. That's one of the worst I've seen for a long long time..Exactly what schuey did. I know it's absolutely wrong to say this, but if it actually did cause something like this then maybe the arrogant GF would wake up to his dangerous driving..But probably not.
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He has the same ruthless moves but without the speed. I can't believe just how rubbish he has become! Did anyone think this possible?
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Slow. Dangerous. Breathtakingly arrogant.

The sport could do without him.
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He does add humour though.
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He should jack it in for good after this season.

He's been dropped 10 places for SPA; should have fined him as well.

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I agree 100% Michael's move was very very dangerous...
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He does add humour though.
Let him commentate, then.
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He's got that smirk.
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So should most of the people this season then. So should have Barrichello for some of his boneheads moves at the start of last season. So should have have Kubica and Vettel for their crash at Aussie a few years back.
So should have Hamilton for his weaving incident earlier in the year.

Agree?
No, absolutely not. Bad though they may have been, they bear no comparison to this latest example of many of Schumacher's appalling moves over his F1 career. Whatever his race statistics tell us, his 'greatness' is severely tainted by this sort of behaviour. He has been without doubt consistently the most dangerous F1 racing driver during my years of watching motor racing (and that is more years than I care to say!).
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A 10-place grid for Spa is totally inadequate, but it may be all the Race Stewards can do. If so, they should have referred it to the WMSC for consideration.

Personally I would have given him a 3-race ban because he has made so many moves like that over the years, and this one was potentially very dangerous, that a marker has to be put down. As a seven-times WDC he is supposed to be setting an example to younger drivers.

Just yesterday there was a British F3 race at Spa where the leader showed massive reluctance to be overtaken. There were three incidents at the end of the Kemmel straight, where the drivers are braking for Les Combes.

One driver got by putting two wheels on the grass, another managed it after several laps of frustration and the third was simply driven into, which saw the guilty party end up in the barriers.

If these younger drivers see Schumacher driving as he does, what are they supposed to think?
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That move could have killed Ruben's, I don't believe that is an overstatement..
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If a rookie would pull such a move, wouldn't they have taken away his license.

Imagine Yamamoto or Chandhok for instance doing that to one of the other 'slow' cars...
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That move could have killed Ruben's, I don't believe that is an overstatement..
...and as a minimum it deserves a one race ban in my opinion. Or does someone have to die first?

Actually I think a 'points' system, like we have in the UK on our road driving licences, would work well in F1.

Any move that forces another driver to leave the track when the cars are alongside each other (i.e. cross the white line with two wheels to avoid a collision) should earn the offender points - and the stewards could be empowered to award 1-12 points for a single incident. Once the driver gets 12 points he is banned for the rest of the season. That should do it.

If a driver receives up to 3 points during a race he gets a grid penalty at the next race
If a driver receives 3-6 points during a race he is banned from the next race
If a driver receives 6-9 points during a race he is banned from the next two races
If a driver receives more than 9 points during a race he is banned for the rest of the season

Such a system would hopefully eliminate life-threatening dangerous moves like today and also punish consistently bad driving over a number of races.

These points could also be applied to bad behaviour in the pit lane where the driver, not the team, are at fault. (i.e. not early releases by the lollipop man.)

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