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Old 27 Apr 2016, 11:34 (Ref:3636673)   #76
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I think the problem was rather that you didn't, as far as other drivers were concerned. My issue with Senna was that his much-lauded self-belief, which people venerate as "the warrior spirit", meant that he couldn't believe he could be beaten, that it was somehow unfair, and that he had the right to win. Hence Suzuka 1990.
Suzuka 1990 "accident" followed on from getting screwed over in 1989, and then being screwed over again in 1990 when his pole position was pushed onto the dirty side of the grid.
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Old 27 Apr 2016, 11:59 (Ref:3636680)   #77
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I think it's safe to say that Senna is the most known and revered of all time, he carried an aura that likes of Pele or Ali carried
Who did they drive for and in what era? The names are not familiar to me...
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Old 27 Apr 2016, 12:21 (Ref:3636683)   #78
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Suzuka 1990 "accident" followed on from getting screwed over in 1989, and then being screwed over again in 1990 when his pole position was pushed onto the dirty side of the grid.
Which meant that he felt entitled to break the rules in a crude and incredibly dangerous way. It's like saying Watergate was OK because Nixon got screwed by Kennedy in 1960 election.
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Old 27 Apr 2016, 12:41 (Ref:3636688)   #79
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Which meant that he felt entitled to break the rules in a crude and incredibly dangerous way. It's like saying Watergate was OK because Nixon got screwed by Kennedy in 1960 election.
The whole situation was very distasteful, both in 1989 and again in 1990.

Senna however did act against the parties that had screwed him over, Mssrs. Prost and Balestre as President of the FIA. Not saying that two wrongs made a right, merely that Senna felt he was being unfairly treated, which he was, and bit back.

Nixon's actions would have been against an unrelated third party who had in no way wronged him.
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Old 27 Apr 2016, 17:31 (Ref:3636710)   #80
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[QUOTE=stripedcat;3633171] Sure - he had the best car - but I think that has always been the way in F1

Not at the Nurburgring in '57 he didn't. Just the biggest balls.
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Old 28 Apr 2016, 10:03 (Ref:3636857)   #81
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Yes Fangio did say he never drove like that before and never wanted to again
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Old 28 Apr 2016, 10:04 (Ref:3636860)   #82
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Can I also add, that seeing Senna on a quali lap was one of the best things ever
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Old 28 Apr 2016, 16:46 (Ref:3636946)   #83
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I was never a Senna fan, but I think his death robbed us of what could have been a titanic showdown between Senna - starting to show his age? - and Schumacher, very much the coming man.
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Crikey, that was close, I nearly clicked on a link to the Daily Mail.

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Not at the Nurburgring in '57 he didn't. Just the biggest balls.
And the biggest talent.
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Even in '58, his final racing year, Fangio showed sparks of talent.
Because he finished on points on both WC races he entered, with not clearly the best car (Ferrari, Vanwall and even Cooper were best cars rather than his private 250F then). Alas, his last ever win is the 1958 Buenos Aires GP, non-champ one.
Also for his trying at IndyCars with approach to the Indy 500, where he didn't enter finally, and the Race of Two Worlds, where he did the qualifying best time at the Monza oval.
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No problem choosing Fangio... What really makes wonder what is the reason for such study, if we can call it that. Is that addiction for making lists ?
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No problem choosing Fangio... What really makes wonder what is the reason for such study, if we can call it that. Is that addiction for making lists ?
A few years ago scientists worked out the funniest joke ever!

Why would working out the worlds greatest driver be any sort of a challenge?
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On the subject of the world's greatest GP drivers, there is a repeat of a programme about Jim Clark on BBC 4 at 22.00 hrs today for those that haven't seen it, or want to see it again.
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On the subject of the world's greatest GP drivers, there is a repeat of a programme about Jim Clark on BBC 4 at 22.00 hrs today for those that haven't seen it, or want to see it again.

what's the connection Mike?
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