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GOODWOOD REVIVAL
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8 Sep 2017 to 10 Sep 2017 07:00 to 19:00
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The annual #1 historic extravaganza- no doubt local accommodation fully booked already!
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Old 13 Sep 2017, 15:05 (Ref:3766556)   #151
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"Squishy" comes from Common Law, goes along with "stinky." The authenticity issue could be a whole different thread. However, as a paying spectator, attending an event where real, authentic, classic cars are advertised as being what you see, and having a number of repops running around sure does make the credibility of the event questionable. Maybe Lord March needs to revisit his entry standards to make sure attendees are getting their monies worth!
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Old 13 Sep 2017, 15:55 (Ref:3766575)   #152
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One does have to query the authenticity of some of the cars being raced.

For example, much was made by the commentators and the two drivers that the Huff/Meins A40 had been a road going car until just two weeks before the event.

I cannot recall any of the A40 that were raced, even in the 60s' Special Saloons, that would have been able to keep up with that car.
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Old 13 Sep 2017, 16:08 (Ref:3766579)   #153
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The St Mary's Trophy cars are expected to put on a show, and if that means they need to be developed, improved or whatever, so be it. If it makes for better spectator entertainment, Goodwood are happy. All IMHO, of course.....
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Old 13 Sep 2017, 16:38 (Ref:3766586)   #154
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The St Mary's Trophy cars are expected to put on a show, and if that means they need to be developed, improved or whatever, so be it. If it makes for better spectator entertainment, Goodwood are happy. All IMHO, of course.....
I was told a competitive engine for an A40 would set you back 18,000, which is a little more than a complete car would have cost new.
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Mike, where do you draw the line on what defines "developed, improved, or whatever?" What are the standards? Provenance? How much money you throw at your car? When you start charging money, representing something as being genuine, authentic, et al, and it's not , spectators get squishy. The Goodwood Revival sets the standard for vintage events, hopefully that will never be compromised.
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Not sure if agree there Owr. IMO the majority of spectators want to see good racing between cars that evoke the period and don't give a fig for authenticity.

After all, the whole premise of the Revival is some indeterminate "olden times." Spitfires mingling with sixties racers, de-mob suits next to mini skirts. The purist knows A40s never raced at the sharp end, the spectator neither knows nor cares as long as he is entertained. And TBH the racing *is* entertaining.

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MM; I will not dispute the entertainment value of The Revival, and if that's the main objective, then I say "go for it!" But, "don't give a fig" or "neither knows nor cares," I'd like to think their interest level is a little better than that, otherwise why bother and attend?
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My last pre-Revival visit to Goodwood would have been in the early sixties, and I no longer have the clothes I wore, and even if I did there is no way I could get into them. I almost certainly cycled from North London to the circuit, and I no longer have the bike.

What am I to do if I want to attend next year and remain authentic?
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My last pre-Revival visit to Goodwood would have been in the early sixties, and I no longer have the clothes I wore, and even if I did there is no way I could get into them. I almost certainly cycled from North London to the circuit, and I no longer have the bike.

What am I to do if I want to attend next year and remain authentic?
The old folks home may have given your room away by now, Bob!

There have been a lot of changes lately - the Press tent now seems to be run by the Pony Club. Oh, & you might need to get another bike as there's no longer parking facilities for the press.
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MM; I will not dispute the entertainment value of The Revival, and if that's the main objective, then I say "go for it!" But, "don't give a fig" or "neither knows nor cares," I'd like to think their interest level is a little better than that, otherwise why bother and attend?
Because they enjoy the anachronism that is Goodwood.

I have a number of friends who go who genuinely do not know about Appendix K, others who suspend belief for the time they are there.

It doesn't float my boat, but 100,000 people say I'm wrong. I bet if you added up all the historic racing "enthusiasts", racers and spectators from every "historic" race meeting outside the Silverstone Classic the Revival would outnumber them. Clearly the mass market doesn't worry about historical accuracy.

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The old folks home may have given your room away by now, Bob!

There have been a lot of changes lately - the Press tent now seems to be run by the Pony Club. Oh, & you might need to get another bike as there's no longer parking facilities for the press.
In the course of a season I visit a lot of media centres around the UK, and most of the time its just us few old timers moaning about the crap racing. The Revival press centre by contrast, is exciting, incredibly busy, and I love being part of what is a truly international gathering.
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Because they enjoy the anachronism that is Goodwood.

I have a number of friends who go who genuinely do not know about Appendix K, others who suspend belief for the time they are there.

It doesn't float my boat, but 100,000 people say I'm wrong. I bet if you added up all the historic racing "enthusiasts", racers and spectators from every "historic" race meeting outside the Silverstone Classic the Revival would outnumber them. Clearly the mass market doesn't worry about historical accuracy.
owrforever- the above is pretty much how I would have replied to your earlier post! Sorry I'm a bit late to the party but am at Spa for this weekends big meeting.

There are one or two races at Goodwood Revival and Members Meeting where the entertainment takes priority over period authenticity. In most races the cars will have FIA HTP papers and be the same cars I see at many other European meetings. But in for example, The St Mary's Trophy, the cars will likely not have FIA papers and will run (for example) disc brakes instead of drums, bigger discs and calipers than original, more sophisticated suspension, etc..... It makes for great entertainment, especially if something 'unlikely' can fight the expected front runners!
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Nostalgia about a race meeting whose USP is nostalgia? That is a bit meta for me.

New for 2018 'The Revival Revival- experience the thrills and spills of 90s retro ' . Cue appearance of ersatz Spice Girls and Peugeot 405s ..
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Goodwood is recreating history, this year's event will be exactly the same as last year's....
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Someone described the Revival as:
Goodwood is recreating history, this year's event will be exactly the same as last year's....
Well, the Revival has been running for longer than Goodwood's in-period racing, so I guess it's time to start all over again.
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Someone described the Revival as:
Goodwood is recreating history, this year's event will be exactly the same as last year's....
I wouldn't describe The Revival as a historical recreation, more of a pastiche (much like some of the competing cars). This year, my first visit, I saw costumes ranging from Victorian explorer complete with pith helmet to 1960's rocker with studded leather jacket. According to a friend who walked all the way round the circuit, the further from the paddock, the less tweed is to be seen which tends to confirm the view that many of those attending might also be found sipping champers in boater and striped blazer at Henley and in top hat and tails at Ascot.

It's a hugely enjoyable experience but for the cost of a day (never mind a weekend) at Goodwood I could attend a season ot two of historic motor sport at Cadwell, Mallory, Oulton or Donington.
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