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Old 31 May 2017, 11:05 (Ref:3737613)   #46
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CoW will hold a BTCC round. They'll just ask Silverstone to host it for them

Is it worth using the new Silverstone layout? Not the full GP circuit, but the new International circuit?
Do you mean what is effectively known as the "south" circuit?
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Old 31 May 2017, 11:47 (Ref:3737639)   #47
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Everyone has missed an obvious one, what about Birmingham! And why not bring back the British GP support while we're at it
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Old 31 May 2017, 12:08 (Ref:3737651)   #48
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Do you mean what is effectively known as the "south" circuit?
Yeah that's the new International circuit

http://www.silverstone.co.uk/track-hire/
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Old 31 May 2017, 12:09 (Ref:3737652)   #49
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Do you mean what is effectively known as the "south" circuit?
Used to be. It's been 'International' for a few years now. In reverse order of size/length:

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Old 31 May 2017, 12:10 (Ref:3737654)   #50
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There was rumours that maybe they would use it for 2011. Gow certainly wasn't against the idea
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Old 31 May 2017, 12:51 (Ref:3737665)   #51
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I was pondering that. I doubt TOCA would want to, because the paddock access is terrible and it might even be too small for the entire BTCC circus to fit into.
I've seen club meetings there where they have struggled to fit everyone in the paddock, and that's without the big transporters and hospitality tents that a TOCA meeting would bring.

Most spectators are likely to be in the grandstands at Club and along the Pit Straight. The only infield access is via the vehicle bridge over Hanger Straight, which is the complete opposite side of the track.

It's not a bad circuit but hopelessly impractical
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Old 31 May 2017, 14:19 (Ref:3737687)   #52
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Silverstone was only changed for the benefit if F1, with no thought given to anything else. The newer section of track and the re-profiled Club corner are awful. The BTCC should stick to the national layout, as it produces great racing.
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I was pondering that. I doubt TOCA would want to, because the paddock access is terrible and it might even be too small for the entire BTCC circus to fit into.

From a racing perspective, the sequence through Abbey/Farm/Village would be interesting due to the fast/slooooow/fast nature; the flick through the Link into Becketts has a feature that isn't so obvious from a brief viewing - the camber changes dramatically, there's a big bump where the GP circuit peels off left due to the different camber angles and there's a massive sausage kerb in the Link to boot. That would definitely make for some interesting racing

Hangar Straight might be a bit too long for the telly, although seeing BTCC cars going three wide into Stowe would be quite the sight!
I think one of the main reasons for not using the GP circuit is TV. It would require a lot more cameras to cover the full circuit, and with that would involve extra cost for the TV company so not really an option.
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Old 13 Jun 2017, 20:02 (Ref:3740954)   #54
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Reading comments from an interview with JP he notes it is clear they need to test. So absolutely someone (Scott?) put a stop to the planned run out at Pembrey.

He is saying lots of teamy bondy nicey words but I am going to speculate that he has had enough and is considering his options.

One of which could be a Eurotech Honda? Jeff is very unlikely to be back in a race car for sometime...
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Old 13 Jun 2017, 22:14 (Ref:3741003)   #55
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One of which could be a Eurotech Honda? Jeff is very unlikely to be back in a race car for sometime...
I would be amazed if JP found himself in a car built by TD.
If he could convince Eurotech to change car, then maybe. I think it's such a long shot though.
I would imagine there is more chance of him running the Maximum Ford than him being seen as part of the Honda family.
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Reading comments from an interview with JP he notes it is clear they need to test. So absolutely someone (Scott?) put a stop to the planned run out at Pembrey.

He is saying lots of teamy bondy nicey words but I am going to speculate that he has had enough and is considering his options.

One of which could be a Eurotech Honda? Jeff is very unlikely to be back in a race car for sometime...
More likely it was the bank manager that put a stop to the test. It's clear they struggling for funds, why else would you prevent testing? It's in the best interests of the team (and more importantly Subaru UK and their sponsors) to have as many cars at the top of the pile as possible regardless of whether or not JP is now without a shot at the title, the way Ash is going he's going to need a rear gunner and right now Biggles and Binky (sorry I mean Price and Cole) are no use at all. As much as I loathe JP, he's a character and brings a lot (of support, sponsorship, spectators and dare I say some action) to the championship. As much as people hate Neal, he'd be missed!

He seems to have moulded BMR around himself, more so that he was able to do at 888, plus he brought the deal to Warren, If he leaves then I can't see Subaru and Adrian Flux hanging around.

Presumably the UK will be getting the new Impreza at some point (most likely in hatch form again) surely that would be a better base for a touring car and dare I say it with the Swindon lump and FWD (though truth be told the Swindon engine hasn't looked as fast this year). I imagine part of Subaru joining the BTCC would have been based on showcasing their boxer engine (though ironically it's been the weakest link in the package) and I can't imagine they'd support a package without it.

Fact is for Jason, the RWD unicorn he was looking for hasn't worked, both Ash and Colin have proven it's a quick car at the hands of a RWD specialist, but for others it's average at best. His best bet would be a good manufacturer supported FWD package (the MG deal was pretty poor in terms of support and funding). I know the Kia thing gets bandied round each year, but the Korean manufacturers are really up and coming in the UK and that’s where he needs to focus. A Works Kia C'eed or Hyundai i30 would be perfect for him.
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Old 14 Jun 2017, 10:28 (Ref:3741124)   #57
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He seems to have moulded BMR around himself, more so that he was able to do at 888, plus he brought the deal to Warren, If he leaves then I can't see Subaru and Adrian Flux hanging around.
From my outside perspective the team seem incapable or unwilling of sorting him a car in which to compete. He may have been pivotal in setting things up but he isn't in control and seems to be being left to wither on a vine.

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Presumably the UK will be getting the new Impreza at some point (most likely in hatch form again) surely that would be a better base for a touring car...
Allegedly still on for later this year, but it seems to be far lower down Subaru UK's to do list than the revised XV crossover. When it does arrive it is a five door hatch of Focus/ Astra proportions on a new platform. Sadly saddled with boxer engines, 4WD and a CVT transmission again, so will not be bothering Ford and VW in the sales charts. Although presumably could be turned into a RWD touring car as per the Leviathan.

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A Works Kia C'eed or Hyundai i30 would be perfect for him.
A new European manufacturing facility is on their mid term agenda, so who knows...
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A Works Kia C'eed or Hyundai i30 would be perfect for him.
Last I heard was they weren't interested in the cost. They were interested last year, but were put off by the amounts of money required to run a team.

Source: A driver pal who has already brought one manufacturer to the championship...
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What's a budget for a front to midfield BTCC now days?
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What's a budget for a front to midfield BTCC now days?
Couldn't put a figure on it, but he said to me not long ago, we are going back down the super touring route with the amount of money being asked for a drive by some teams and the amount of money going into the sport. He said the only difference is the money comes from sponsorship and drivers pockets and not the manufacturers
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