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Old 14 Jun 2017, 13:33 (Ref:3741173)   #61
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From my outside perspective the team seem incapable or unwilling of sorting him a car in which to compete. He may have been pivotal in setting things up but he isn't in control and seems to be being left to wither on a vine.



Allegedly still on for later this year, but it seems to be far lower down Subaru UK's to do list than the revised XV crossover. When it does arrive it is a five door hatch of Focus/ Astra proportions on a new platform. Sadly saddled with boxer engines, 4WD and a CVT transmission again, so will not be bothering Ford and VW in the sales charts. Although presumably could be turned into a RWD touring car as per the Leviathan.
Again, I think their budget this year seems smaller than last year and is the main reason why there's been little to no testing and no re-shell of Plato's car. The simple solution for next year is to downsize the team, ditch Plato's 'broken' chassis and use one of the others as a 3 car team. The forth TBL could be 'loaned' or 'sold' to '888' (inverted commas as they are essentially BMR anyway) to enable them to run as a 3 car outfit.

Subaru is following in Mitsubishi's footsteps and alienating their long term fan base by stepping away from traditional cars in favour of C and S UV's. Locally, various car dealerships have tried and failed with both brands ove rthe years. The latest attempt, a long time Mazda dealer (who ironically had a short stab at also selling Mitsubishis) have just removed their Subaru branding from the showroom after only a short period (6-12 months if that). It seems the brands just don't sell well in York which is odd as it's still a big farming area but I guess a few L200s or Legacy Outbacks for the wives don't keep a dealership alive!

When The Subaru BTCC entry was announced I briefly looked at the Levorg online, whilst it's a handsome car, with the perks of AWD, the CVT only drivetrain and lack of choice (I mean seriously, only 3 colours in 2017!) at a relatively high price compared to the competition means it's a none starter for most people. And if the reviews are anything to go by, they're not even that good nor have the bulletproof reliabilty of Subarus of old!
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Old 14 Jun 2017, 13:35 (Ref:3741176)   #62
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Couldn't put a figure on it, but he said to me not long ago, we are going back down the super touring route with the amount of money being asked for a drive by some teams and the amount of money going into the sport. He said the only difference is the money comes from sponsorship and drivers pockets and not the manufacturers
That seems a bit high. Alan Gow said one of the super touring teams was on a budget of 10m a year, just for the cars.
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Old 14 Jun 2017, 14:04 (Ref:3741182)   #63
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That seems a bit high. Alan Gow said one of the super touring teams was on a budget of 10m a year, just for the cars.
He didn't mean literally in cost. He was talking about it in relative terms. Whereas the manufacturers would happily spend 10m, a driver can't afford that, but there are 1 or 2 paying near enough 7 figure sums to be on the grid. Some super touring drives (if you had to pay for it) were a lot less than that!
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Old 14 Jun 2017, 15:42 (Ref:3741230)   #64
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As much as I loathe JP, he's a character and brings a lot (of support, sponsorship, spectators and dare I say some action) to the championship. As much as people hate Neal, he'd be missed!
I used to agree, but Plato has been missing pretty much all year, and it turns out that the championship hasn't missed him in the slightest imo. He's hardly had a mention, he's not had the chance to create controversy with any antics, and I for one have hardly noticed.
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Old 14 Jun 2017, 16:13 (Ref:3741244)   #65
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As I've admitted before, I don't like the guy, so I understand that my opinions may be more than a little one-sided but I noticed at the weekend, now that he had moved further up the grid he had a couple of interviews and although he's supposed to be a TV Professional (due to his 5th gear appearances) to me he comes across as ignorant. He grunts & pauses incessantly during his interviews which I feel he does on purpose to give him more air time than someone who would just answer the question...
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Old 14 Jun 2017, 16:47 (Ref:3741255)   #66
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As I've admitted before, I don't like the guy, so I understand that my opinions may be more than a little one-sided but I noticed at the weekend, now that he had moved further up the grid he had a couple of interviews and although he's supposed to be a TV Professional (due to his 5th gear appearances) to me he comes across as ignorant. He grunts & pauses incessantly during his interviews which I feel he does on purpose to give him more air time than someone who would just answer the question...
I'm no Plato fan but I think that's a bit harsh. I think the pauses are him calculating what to say - be that a 'the team are working hard', 'TOCA need to look at boost', 'Matt Neal is an idiot' or whatever. Plato is a very shrewd operator, he rarely says anything without having a good reason to do so - he just takes the time to formulate it in his head before saying anything. If he says something it's always pushing some agenda or other - no banal stuff - it's all for a reason.
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Old 14 Jun 2017, 16:52 (Ref:3741257)   #67
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That's because when he doesn't pause to formulate a reply, he makes an absolute arse of it. Remember when the Hondas drove into each other and Plato got a win? Louise went to interview him, expecting a laughing happy Jason, and she got a childish brat throwing the ultimate strop. Because he didn't have time to stop and come up with a reply.
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Old 14 Jun 2017, 18:25 (Ref:3741283)   #68
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Again, I think their budget this year seems smaller than last year and is the main reason why there's been little to no testing and no re-shell of Plato's car. The simple solution for next year is to downsize the team, ditch Plato's 'broken' chassis and use one of the others as a 3 car team. The forth TBL could be 'loaned' or 'sold' to '888' (inverted commas as they are essentially BMR anyway) to enable them to run as a 3 car outfit.
As I recall the MG/888 deal is signed until the end of 2018, so assume they will be back with a couple of cars. Not expecting them to expand beyond 2 cars; they are struggling to run those as it is. Don't know how that is going to work in terms of chassis - surely they can't run the same bent and broken cars for another year, and seems little point in building new cars for one year using an obsolete model.

Agree with BMR down-sizing, although expect them to go down to 2 cars.
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Old 14 Jun 2017, 22:03 (Ref:3741416)   #69
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re. Plato's pauses when interviewed.
I feel it is because he needs the thinking space to keep a consistent argument. This season (as with some in the past) his explanation of the car's brilliance compared to his results has deviated quite a bit at times. He has included the CoG, boost, damage and aero as reasons for underperforming so far, and at times this has contradicted Warren Scott's observations. He knows that if he speaks too quickly, without considering his argument, he will contradict himself at some point.
I'm sure there are occasions, but I struggle to recall a recent interview since Brands qualy where he has done little other than place the blame for bad results in someone else's court.
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Old 14 Jun 2017, 23:03 (Ref:3741445)   #70
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I heard that the mild stutter he sometimes has was fabricated in conjunction with his sponsors as well, in order to get him and them more screen-time.
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Old 15 Jun 2017, 12:26 (Ref:3741578)   #71
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I'm sure there are occasions, but I struggle to recall a recent interview since Brands qualy where he has done little other than place the blame for bad results in someone else's court.
Thing is though the facts point to him being right about the Brands damage being the problem. Compare all the timings before/during Brands and afterwards.

He either forgot how to drive overnight or there's something wrong with the car.

As for his interview style it might (or might not be ) be a marketing thing as, after all, he's the only driver who removes his HANS device before getting out of the car so it doesn't obscure the sponsors logos.

He puts a lot of thought into that sort of thing which is why he's been so successful at making a very nice living in touring cars and staying on the grid.

Regardless of what people might think about his driving I have massive admiration for him for achieving that.
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Old 15 Jun 2017, 12:57 (Ref:3741597)   #72
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I cannot believe there is so much debate about whether the guy has a stutter or not...

What people forget is he is being interviewed live, unscripted, with whatever emotion is going through.

As I said, it is live, unlike Fifth Gear which he can do as many takes as he needs...
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Old 15 Jun 2017, 13:23 (Ref:3741607)   #73
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I cannot believe there is so much debate about whether the guy has a stutter or not...

What people forget is he is being interviewed live, unscripted, with whatever emotion is going through.

As I said, it is live, unlike Fifth Gear which he can do as many takes as he needs...
I agree with you but the same holds true for other drivers and they don't have the long pauses which is where the theories come from I expect.
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Old 15 Jun 2017, 16:19 (Ref:3741669)   #74
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Afaik he has a stutter or stammer, which is easy to pick up on. But yeah it is hard to notice him when he's not at the front
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Old 15 Jun 2017, 18:07 (Ref:3741712)   #75
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Thing is though the facts point to him being right about the Brands damage being the problem. Compare all the timings before/during Brands and afterwards .
FP1 - 30th. FP2 - 31st. Q - 18th.
All before the accident.

It's true that the accident may be a factor in his results, but my point was that he's also blamed boost, CoG, Aero, slower cars and ride height for his performances too along the way.
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