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Old 13 Mar 2006, 10:44 (Ref:1546992)   #16
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Question I should have asked first then was, what did Group A cars in Britain have to identify them? Did they have some sort of logbook, or a set of papers? Perhaps I am looking for the wrong thing. Australian cars simply had a CAMS logbook, no different to any other category of race car. I had just assumed that overseas car had similar logbooks.

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Can't answer for race cars but stage rally cars in UK first had logbooks 1988/9. Hill climb and sprint cars mid 1990s (and not for road-legal ones even now). The only reason was to prompt scrutineers at the next event that some observation had been recorded by a different scrutineer at the previous event. Pretty sure race cars in general didn't need them when first introduced for stage rally cars. Never needed anything other than the general homologation papers for the car model (not specific to the car) when competing in Europe in 1980s under the then new Appendix J.
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Old 13 Mar 2006, 13:26 (Ref:1547128)   #17
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All I can add is that whatever the car is, it won't be the Barry Sheene one. That one was left bent banana-shaped after an incident at Thruxton which Barry was frankly lucky to get out of. There was very, very little left of it after it took (I think) an RS1600i Escort hard in the door.
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Old 13 Mar 2006, 13:46 (Ref:1547143)   #18
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Presumable the Hughes group at one of the their Beaconsfield dealerships would have old photos etc, and records, but who knows where.
Hughes haven't been a Toyota dealer since maybe the late 1980's. As far as I known they've had no motorsport involvemen since then. They've been a Mercedes dealer for as long as I can remember, and now Smart, Chrysler and Jeep as well. It's not much help I know but I'm not surprised if they know nothing about the car.
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Old 13 Mar 2006, 20:43 (Ref:1547486)   #19
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Barry Sheene's Car

"All I can add is that whatever the car is, it won't be the Barry Sheene one. That one was left bent banana-shaped after an incident at Thruxton which Barry was frankly lucky to get out of. There was very, very little left of it after it took (I think) an RS1600i Escort hard in the door."

No, my car was never driven by Barry. As far as I am aware, my car is the first one. It was raced by Win Percy, Tony Dron and Gordon Spice at various times in England from early 83 till about Jun 84. It was then replaced by the second car, which is the one that Win Percy did well in during the latter half of 84, and which became Barry's car for 85. This is the car you are refering to I believe. This car was written off, and was replaced by another which Barry, in his biography, states they never sorted out, and he lost interest in it. I believe this car may still exist, I heard rumours of it being up in Scotland many years ago. So at least 3 circuit racing cars from Hughes, but without proper documentation it is all hard to verify. And I don't know if the last car ended up as one of the rally cars either. I wouldn't have thought they would have built any more that the 3 for circuit racing, as 1985/6 and the advent of the turbo cars made them redundant.

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Old 14 Mar 2006, 16:54 (Ref:1548126)   #20
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Right then ART Group A one of my favourite subjects!!! YIPPEE

This won't be specific but it may help you here and there.

Bloke called Jim Whitehouse and (Dave Lampitt?) of firm called Arden Conversions had something to do with building either all of the cars or just the engines of the 2.8i Celica Supra's as they were called (no idea where these guys are these days). Hughes was just the sponsor and entrant i think?

As you say ART, the car debuted in 1983 with Win Percy at the wheel, this car continued into '84 but I think it was shunted at Thruxton Easter Monday and rebuilt - whatever the case when it returned it was much stronger and quicker and was a true front runner late in the season, often harrassing Rouse's Vitesse for the win. Gordon Spice ran it at Silverstone in June and quite liked it despite no testing (would have been good if they'd got him out in a second car). The later in season version of the car had flared wheel arches.

The Martin brothers, Jean-Michel and Phillipe ran one in Belgium (this may have been the early one rebuilt and perhaps looked after by Dave Cook Racing?) at Spa where they were joined by Spice, perhaps explaining why he was racing one the previous month? This could be your car ART?

Dave Cook definitely ran one or other of the Martin's in Belgium in Group N cars but he may also have run a Group A car as well - their relationship as in the case of Spice went back to Grp 1 Capri days as the Martin's shared Capri's with Spice and were a customer of CC Racing racing in the Belgian Touring Car series.

The Supra entered the '84 TT but Percy was in a Jag so it may have been Dron and someone else down to drive it, but i don't think it actually competed at the event anyway?

If Win had continued with the car into '85 with some continued development, they could well have won the title with it don't know why they didn't run him alongside Sheene (I guess Win had a full time Rover ETC deal and perhaps Toyota didn't fancy taking on the Sierra and improving 'Brode' Starion much?)

The only other info I know about such cars is their time in Australia (which was the one that poor Peter Williamson pranged on Bathust start line in '85 (was that the '83/early '84 Celica Supra?)

Funnily enough, mentioning errant Escort RS1600's Tim, John Morris a former Golf pedalled who ran an RS1600 in '85 entered a Supra in the 1986 TT to be partnered by his buddy Bob Meacham, but i don't think it qualified. It was in a garage along the pitlane though, I remember looking at the back of it. That may have been one of the '85 Sheene cars.

Unfortunately I can't pin point exactly which car is yours, but as it came from Belgium then the Martin's may well have pedalled it for a while because they definitely had one in 1984.
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Old 14 Mar 2006, 17:34 (Ref:1548173)   #21
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Arden were doing engines for the Toyota UK Celica GT4 rally car later on. So an earlier racing engine link fits. Wasn't Cliff Humphries (ex BMC Comps) there?
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Yes thats the one Viva, it was red as I recollect, looked great (did you or your car race with us? I remember a Viva GT coming out).
Hi Al. No that wasn't me. I did race a Mini Se7en in the early 80's CCC Modsaloon races though. (It was painted Vauxhall Silver, had a Vauxhall Griffin badge on the bonnet and was towed by a matching silver Viva GT, but that's another story...)
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Old 26 Oct 2006, 19:31 (Ref:1750309)   #23
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Barry Sheene's Toyota Supra Photo research (merged)

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just wondering if anyone has any pictures of the 1985 british touring car championship of Barry sheene in the toyota supra. if anyone cn help with any pictures of the car it would be most appriciated

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Old 26 Oct 2006, 19:46 (Ref:1750330)   #24
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Barry Sheene Toyota Supra Photo research (merged)

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i am in desperate need of some pictures of when barry sheene was driving the toyota supra i now own this car an currently restoring it so i need to get the paint and sticker work sorted..
Any information on the car will be welcomed

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Old 26 Oct 2006, 20:06 (Ref:1750347)   #25
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Have you seen page 110 of this week's Autosprout (dated October 26)?

Best of luck with the restoration.
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Old 26 Oct 2006, 20:13 (Ref:1750352)   #26
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no i havnt i dont read it whats in it ??? any good pictures or information for me
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Old 26 Oct 2006, 20:21 (Ref:1750361)   #27
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Is that the car that was up for sale for ages years ago in MN and I think eventually ended up out with us in the ModProds briefly.
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Old 26 Oct 2006, 20:24 (Ref:1750363)   #28
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i doubt it ive had the car for about 10 years but i might have been ??
does nobody have any photos of the original paint work ??? or now where there are any ??
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It would have been at least ten years ago, I retired from racing 9 years ago and it was out a couple of year before that (oh I am back now!) To be honest it was not that quick but a beautifully prepared car as I recollect. Someing yells at me aluminuim cage but I cannot be sure.
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Old 26 Oct 2006, 20:36 (Ref:1750375)   #30
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it cant be the same car then 2.8ltr rwd its a mean machine from the people i have talked to nobody has yet been able to tame it should be fun trying tho
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