2018 VASC Silly Season (with POLL)

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

So wouldn't 26 cars be considered more entertaining than, say, 16, or maybe 10?

What tracks were the 2 day formats being envisaged for?

entertainment is part of the equation, Racing is also part, as is safety. All 3 are a key part of the modern sport

there are no 2 day events in the current calendar

just the 1 day event at SMP

[Jam3s]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

So wouldn't 26 cars be considered more entertaining than, say, 16, or maybe 10?

What tracks were the 2 day formats being envisaged for?

But they're racing the clock, not eachother, so the true entertainment value should come from everyone having the ability to make unimpeded qualifying laps which the new system helps to produce. The knockout format helps to add tension to the sessions as well. Perhaps I view racing differently but that's a hell of a lot more entertaining than a single session watching cars attempting to find clear track.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Absolutely, thats why the spectators are there.

spectators are there for practice as well, so are the TV viewers, why arent we spicing that up too?

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by one five five

spectators are there for practice as well, so are the TV viewers, why arent we spicing that up too?

Maybe that will come at some stage.

Regardless, entertainment is the game that all sports are in and if the new format works and assists in that regard, great.

If it's no more entertaining but assists with congestion then it may remain a feature at only the shorter tracks.

[one five five]

Is knockout qualifying really more entertaining though?

Just split it in two, based on championship points, give 13 cars at a time 10mins, combine the times and there is your grid. Simple and we can then get on with the racing.

Originally Posted by Tourer

Maybe that will come at some stage.

Spice up practice, then when will the teams be able to get any proper work done? Seeing as they can't do any meaningful testing either

Originally Posted by Tourer

If it's no more entertaining but assists with congestion then it may remain a feature at only the shorter tracks.

You'd have thought the way the current mob does things that congestion in qualifying made it more entertaining as far as they were concerned...

[AWASP]

Originally Posted by peckstar

speedcafe graphic on how its works



Changes to Supercars qualifying at short circuits

makes friday more important as well

Still think the bottom 10 & even 16 need a 2nd 0r 3rd(in the case of 16) Qualifier to set the back half of the grid. Will give those Teams a chance to tune their cars to break into the top 10 perhaps, during the race. Otherwise just have 10 on the grid.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by one five five

Is knockout qualifying really more entertaining though?

Just split it in two, based on championship points, give 13 cars at a time 10mins, combine the times and there is your grid. Simple and we can then get on with the racing.

That system is flawed by changes in weather and track conditions, we used to do 10 or so years ago and we found the flaws.

This new system does not have the same flaws

does it really matter. Sueprcars teams were concerned about too many cars being on the track at certain tracks. So this is a fair system for everyone and the teams are happy with it. It will be interesting for spectators as well

[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

So this is a fair system for everyone

How is it fair for everyone?

It has turned practice into a qualifying session with the Top 10 getting a free pass....and practice has the full field on track so won't the same problems keep occuring

The end of practice will just turn into full-field qualifying like we saw this year and past years.

[E.B]

I think it is a good system.... it addresses the problems of 26 car traffic at short circuits, and is not flawed like other split systems, by weather variations. I am all for it. And there is the added bonus of drama that comes with any knock out scenario.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by one five five

How is it fair for everyone?

It has turned practice into a qualifying session with the Top 10 getting a free pass....and practice has the full field on track so won't the same problems keep occuring

The end of practice will just turn into full-field qualifying like we saw this year and past years.

Im struggling to udnerstand why you care. this is what the teams asked for, they are the ones who actually care

Just enjoy it for what it is

[Umai Naa]

Originally Posted by E.B

I think it is a good system.... it addresses the problems of 26 car traffic at short circuits, and is not flawed like other split systems, by weather variations. I am all for it. And there is the added bonus of drama that comes with any knock out scenario.

I'm on board with it as well.

[GTRMagic]

[one five five]

Originally Posted by E.B

I think it is a good system.... it addresses the problems of 26 car traffic at short circuits

Hasn't it just shifted the problem to practice?

Practice has now become a qualifying session to get into the Top 10 to avoid Q1. All 26 cars trying to get a laptime.

[E.B]

Originally Posted by one five five

Hasn't it just shifted the problem to practice?

Practice has now become a qualifying session to get into the Top 10 to avoid Q1. All 26 cars trying to get a laptime.

So the problem is minimised to just practice rather than every session. = an improvement over what we have now. You cant keep everyone happy all the time, but most of the time has to be better.

Im not going to pre-judge the proposal, but give it a go and then judge on fact.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by E.B

So the problem is minimised to just practice rather than every session.

The problem wasn't happening in practice, because practice didn't mean anything in 2017 and before.

Drivers will now be *****ing they didn't get a clear lap in practice which meant they couldn't get into the Top 10.

Originally Posted by E.B

Im not going to pre-judge the proposal, but give it a go and then judge on fact.

Supercars did knockout qualifying in 2007 and 2008, it was judged a failure and they dropped it for 2009.

Why are we re-visiting what was deemed a failure less than a decade ago?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by one five five

The problem wasn't happening in practice, because practice didn't mean anything in 2017 and before.

Drivers will now be *****ing they didn't get a clear lap in practice which meant they couldn't get into the Top 10.



Supercars did knockout qualifying in 2007 and 2008, it was judged a failure and they dropped it for 2009.

Why are we re-visiting what was deemed a failure less than a decade ago?

the problem was happening in parctise, Cost Frosty pole position in NZ just last month.

This is different to the 2007 and 2008 method and it is for two rounds only.

This is what the teams wanted, you keep ignoring that

[dsg]

Originally Posted by peckstar

This is what the teams wanted, you keep ignoring that

But if everyone agrees with each other, I have NOTHING to complain about.

[BobJones]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Good car, good driver, but I worry about continued car development through the season.

[Umai Naa]

Depends on the engineering group, and how closely-aligned to PRA the team acutally is.

[GTRMagic]

New Chassis For Caruso..

Looks like the Kelly Krate will go round again too..

[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

This is what the teams wanted, you keep ignoring that

Because teams always know best afterall.... tell that to Bill France or Bernie Ecclestone

You are also seeming to forget this is a "discussion forum" for personal opinions, not a place to sit around and go "yes maam, good on you" every time Supercars HQ makes a decision ....

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by one five five

Because teams always know best afterall.... tell that to Bill France or Bernie Ecclestone

You are also seeming to forget this is a "discussion forum" for personal opinions, not a place to sit around and go "yes maam, good on you" every time Supercars HQ makes a decision ....

Thast why the supercars commission is also made up of people who are not teams.

You are also seeming to forget this is a "discussion forum" for personal opinions, not a place to sit around and go "no maam, you are wrong" every time Supercars HQ makes a decision ..

[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Thast why the supercars commission is also made up of people who are not teams.

You yourself were claiming the teams wanted this format!

My comment had nothing to do with the Supercars commission

Originally Posted by peckstar

You are also seeming to forget this is a "discussion forum" for personal opinions, not a place to sit around and go "no maam, you are wrong" every time Supercars HQ makes a decision ..

If my personal opinion is that it is wrong, then this is most definitely a place to discuss it

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by one five five

You yourself were claiming the teams wanted this format!

My comment had nothing to do with the Supercars commission




If my personal opinion is that it is wrong, then this is most definitely a place to discuss it

Well your comment did, because the supercars commission are the ones who make these decisions. so the teams want something done about it. they go to the supercars commission who make these decisions and what should be done. Thus you are in opposition to both the teams and the supercars commsiion with a flawed response

[Sandgroper]

whats the hold up with Tekno announcement

Are we to assume its a Jan 1st announcement for JLB ??