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Spa 6Hrs Endurance
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The annual pilgrimage to Spa for the 6 hrs and support races.

The latter will include a round of the Jaguar Challenge and combined MRL sports car grids, plus Masters series. U2TC will also have 2 x 40 minute races.
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Old 21 Sep 2017, 09:39 (Ref:3769020)   #151
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Points well made Simon. If you want to play or comment on a sport you might at least be vaguely familiar with the rules. You don't have to like them, you just have to know and understand what they are. Otherwise you keep making the same point again and again. And again.
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Old 21 Sep 2017, 12:35 (Ref:3769035)   #152
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I would say that there is a big difference in building a compliant MGB from an existing road car than building brand new cars (continuations) evennif to the same spec as in period.

I tbink it was Zef who said that "the 6 Hours is no longer a place for old cars"!!!
If more people were racing MGBs, etc and the 6 Hours was an event that encouraged such participation then even more people who are not millionaires could race..

I still think there is a place for a separate race for under 2 lire cars but then we will all be moaning about Spyder chassied Elans and brand new Marcos etc lol!
I still think that the earlier 6hr races95,96 were much more entertaining,both for spectators and drivers alike.At least the scrutineers were doing their jobs prperly!
The amount of silly little carbon fibre add ons gave testament to the scrutineers either,didnt notice/didnt have the time/couldnt care less.Carbon fibre dash panels,air scoops,you name it and you could have found it.
I think the comparison between the Spa 6hr and 'Clares' a little lame,there are a damn site more people who would jump at the chance of racing at Spa without the Cobras,GT40s whatever.
As for millionairs,yes,I know a few,and none of them spend to win like some owners.But,we have been here before,on many occasions and bugger all ever gets done about the route Historics is going.
How long before the spend to win brigade get tired of spending and turn their attention to something else?Very soon I hope.
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Old 21 Sep 2017, 12:50 (Ref:3769036)   #153
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I suspect the lower budget Six Hours idea and support for that could be usefully debated with Clare......
I can guess how much time, effort and money Claire put in to trying to establish a club level 6 hours because i was partially involved for a while and entered 2. However Vincent and Co may find it easier to put on a sub 2 litre sports and saloon car race at Spa as part of one of their bigger meetings.

It would be nice if the Spa 6 wasnt just the preserve of the big banger sports cars, and perhaps the easiest wY of doing that is to split the grid in to two seprate 6 hour races!
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Old 21 Sep 2017, 13:02 (Ref:3769037)   #154
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Come on guys. If there was an under 2 litre race you would be moaning about how fast someone was, how big their engine was and how much it all cost!
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Old 21 Sep 2017, 13:22 (Ref:3769043)   #155
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Come on guys. If there was an under 2 litre race you would be moaning about how fast someone was, how big their engine was and how much it all cost!
Here we go full circle. I remember when I joined Ten Tenths 10 years ago. Who will be the first to do a sub 3 min in a MGB.
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Old 21 Sep 2017, 13:47 (Ref:3769046)   #156
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Looking at the photos I've seen so far the photographers tend to concentrate on the big bangers/more exotic machinery. Doesn't matter which race, the Cobras Mustangs, GT40 etc. get the most coverage.

If a smaller car is pictured it's normally because it's being passed by something more rapid. On that basis I can't see how more smaller class cars would make the event more attractive.

Of course the one thing that would make a difference to the machinery on display would be for those with smaller cars to get their entries in early. I believe it's first come first served so there's no excuse.
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U2TC came about because of the influx of V8 lard buses when the $ was worthless making it cheap to go faster . . . . then after 2 years U2TC exploded into an arms race of development never seen before. That kind of development is now the norm, to the point you don't have to bother with development, you just buy a new car which has had all the development done before you sign the cheque. Win a pot with it at a big meeting then flog it the week after!
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Time for a separate race for saloons and Sports car < 2 litres?
My response to the above on Aug 28th- "There's only one 'Spa 6hrs' and in my opinion it would reduce the standing of the event to have different races for different categories. It didn't work for the Guards Trophy, and as a result we have lost the Autosport 3hr race....."

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I can guess how much time, effort and money Claire put in to trying to establish a club level 6 hours because i was partially involved for a while and entered 2. However Vincent and Co may find it easier to put on a sub 2 litre sports and saloon car race at Spa as part of one of their bigger meetings.

It would be nice if the Spa 6 wasnt just the preserve of the big banger sports cars, and perhaps the easiest wY of doing that is to split the grid in to two seprate 6 hour races!
My response to the above today- "There's only one 'Spa 6hrs' and in my opinion it would reduce the standing of the event to have different races for different categories. It didn't work for the Guards Trophy, and as a result we have lost the Autosport 3hr race....."

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Come on guys. If there was an under 2 litre race you would be moaning about how fast someone was, how big their engine was and how much it all cost!
Yes, it would simply be an under 2 litre arms race, instead of an mixed capacity arms race......
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Well, I won't change your mind, Mike, and I accept it would be "an under 2 litre arms race" at the front but I don't see any reason why there should just be one Spa 6 hours (assuming there was the demand, and assuming they are aimed at different target audiences, and Spa does seem to have an attraction for many racers) and I do see the increasing prevalence of the GT40s etc etc as off putting to those with more (sort of) accessible cars.

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Here we go full circle. I remember when I joined Ten Tenths 10 years ago. Who will be the first to do a sub 3 min in a MGB.
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Cylinder head aside its closer to App K than some cars we've seen.
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Not so International back then Gordon. Maybe that has some influence on the matter?
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Fast fro an Anglia of course. But Saloon Cars are kind of Modsports and the track was probably slightly different.
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