WEC Porsche Prototype Discussion - Page 36

deggis · 23 Aug 2012, 20:32 (Ref:3123739)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

The more the better , I agree , then they will have to limit the chassis entry , otherwise they end up turning away teams , and WEC teams are guaranteed before any new works effort .

Speaking of which, it doesn't make sense now to turn away all-pro teams or additional entries from those existing teams because of GT-Am (almost solely because it, because to call something a class there needs to be certain amount of entries in it). There isn't much space to grow for P1 unless GT-Am is dropped, which makes dropping it inevitable.

GT3.14 · 23 Aug 2012, 21:31 (Ref:3123778)

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Originally Posted by deggis

There isn't much space to grow for P1 unless GT-Am is dropped, which makes dropping it inevitable.

Let's hope so!

Salamus · 24 Aug 2012, 02:00 (Ref:3123884)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

The more the better , I agree , then they will have to limit the chassis entry , otherwise they end up turning away teams , and WEC teams are guaranteed before any new works effort .

If P1 numbers were in the 20s, the WEC would revert to a P1 and GTE grid only. That is about 30-40 cars? Still enough for a healthy P2 grid.

GTE isn't dead...yet. We all know the issues with GTE and we all want these problems solved. But we have to look at the fact that GTE numbers are down and costs are up.

The Badger · 24 Aug 2012, 05:39 (Ref:3123915)

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Originally Posted by Salamus

GTE isn't dead...yet. We all know the issues with GTE and we all want these problems solved. But we have to look at the fact that GTE numbers are down and costs are up.

The cost was one of the main reasons for the demise of GT1 ..... I reckon the cost of GTE is getting close to what GT1 was at the time is finished in ACO sanctioned events .

Why did the rule makers let this happen , cuz of the manufacturers ?

Spyderman · 24 Aug 2012, 05:42 (Ref:3123917)

A really riveting discussion gentleman, but do you really think that it belongs under the Porsche LMP1 thread?

gustavobamba · 24 Aug 2012, 13:47 (Ref:3124102)

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Originally Posted by Spyderman

A really riveting discussion gentleman, but do you really think that it belongs under the Porsche LMP1 thread?

I agree:-), why not talking about the design of the P1 Porsche????

deggis · 24 Aug 2012, 14:00 (Ref:3124106)

Because there isn't much to talk about it?

The Badger · 24 Aug 2012, 14:05 (Ref:3124108)

Well , I have heard some things , other private source , but not at liberty to say ..... but a few surprises and raised eyebrows .

CTD · 24 Aug 2012, 14:11 (Ref:3124112)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Well , I have heard some things , other private source , but not at liberty to say ..... but a few surprises and raised eyebrows .

Then you don't know anything.
Tell us, or we don't believe you!

Spyderman · 24 Aug 2012, 15:12 (Ref:3124133)

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Originally Posted by deggis

Because there isn't much to talk about it?

Deleated

Spyderman · 24 Aug 2012, 15:13 (Ref:3124134)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Well , I have heard some things , other private source , but not at liberty to say ..... but a few surprises and raised eyebrows .

In the good sense I hope.

Salamus · 24 Aug 2012, 16:09 (Ref:3124152)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

The cost was one of the main reasons for the demise of GT1 ..... I reckon the cost of GTE is getting close to what GT1 was at the time is finished in ACO sanctioned events .

Why did the rule makers let this happen , cuz of the manufacturers ?

It is the natural cycle of a sportscar class (I made this up).
1) Class begins with simple cars.
2) Car numbers greatly increase.
3) Manufacturers get interested, start joining. (In this case, the demise of GT1 lead to more manufacturers in GT2)
4) Competition increases, development increases, costs increase.
5) Teams/cars begin to leave.
6) DEATH

Right now, GTE is somewhere between step 3 and 5. We have seen many cars leave (Spyker, Jaguar, Ford) but also many join (Aston Martin, Lotus, Dodge). There is still interest but the rules need to be addressed in order to help teams a little and reduce costs.

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Originally Posted by Spyderman

A really riveting discussion gentleman, but do you really think that it belongs under the Porsche LMP1 thread?

Think of it as our duty to keep this thread at the top of the thread list and not in the waste land known as "page 2".

Plus, I like talking to The Badger.

Spyderman · 24 Aug 2012, 16:34 (Ref:3124158)

Right. I was just inquiring whether you thought the discussion was relevant to the title of the thread. You obviously do, so full speed ahead.

CTD · 24 Aug 2012, 16:36 (Ref:3124159)

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Originally Posted by Salamus

It is the natural cycle of a sportscar class (I made this up).
1) Class begins with simple cars.
2) Car numbers greatly increase.
3) Manufacturers get interested, start joining. (In this case, the demise of GT1 lead to more manufacturers in GT2)
4) Competition increases, development increases, costs increase.
5) Teams/cars begin to leave.
6) DEATH

Right now, GTE is somewhere between step 3 and 5. We have seen many cars leave (Spyker, Jaguar, Ford) but also many join (Aston Martin, Lotus, Dodge). There is still interest but the rules need to be addressed in order to help teams a little and reduce costs.

Think of it as our duty to keep this thread at the top of the thread list and not in the waste land known as "page 2".

Plus, I like talking to The Badger.

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Originally Posted by Spyderman

Right. I was just inquiring whether you thought the discussion was relevant to the title of the thread. You obviously do, so full speed ahead.

Your right Spyderman. The GTE discussion should not be placed in the Porsche LMP1 thread.

FordCosworthPanoz · 24 Aug 2012, 16:39 (Ref:3124162)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Well , I have heard some things , other private source , but not at liberty to say ..... but a few surprises and raised eyebrows .

Porsche dumping LMP1 and heading to NASCAR?

Salamus · 24 Aug 2012, 17:14 (Ref:3124185)

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Originally Posted by Spyderman

Right. I was just inquiring whether you thought the discussion was relevant to the title of the thread. You obviously do, so full speed ahead.

I hope you know that I said that in a joking manner. Hence the tongue face.

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Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

Porsche dumping LMP1 and heading to NASCAR?

If Porsche goes to NASCAR, then Ford goes to Le Mans.

Articus · 25 Aug 2012, 06:43 (Ref:3124386)

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Originally Posted by Salamus

If Porsche goes to NASCAR, then Ford goes to Le Mans.

Ford going to Le Mans isn't out of the question but Porsche to Nascar. Not gonna happen...ever.

This is more like If Porsche goes to NASCAR, then AvtoVAZ goes to Le Mans.
Neither will ever happen.

deggis · 25 Aug 2012, 06:50 (Ref:3124387)

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Originally Posted by Articus

Ford going to Le Mans isn't out of the question but Porsche to Nascar. Not gonna happen...ever.

This is more like If Porsche goes to NASCAR, then AvtoVAZ goes to Le Mans.
Neither will ever happen.

"Porsche will never build a 4-door diesel"?

The Badger · 25 Aug 2012, 08:22 (Ref:3124418)

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Originally Posted by Salamus

I hope you know that I said that in a joking manner. Hence the tongue face.

If Porsche goes to NASCAR, then Ford goes to Le Mans.

Ford could go to Le Mans ..... Porsche on the other hand , dont race hick farm machinery and run donuts !!!

Interesting stuff on the new Porsche , Its a bit of a grey area as to weather its legal or not , but its aero , thats all I can say .

The Badger · 25 Aug 2012, 08:24 (Ref:3124419)

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Originally Posted by Articus

This is more like If Porsche goes to NASCAR, then AvtoVAZ goes to Le Mans.
Neither will ever happen.

Kinda like Rowen Atkinson driving a TSO-30 !!!

CTD · 25 Aug 2012, 08:37 (Ref:3124425)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Interesting stuff on the new Porsche , Its a bit of a grey area as to weather its legal or not , but its aero , thats all I can say .

Interesting the car is this advanced that they already have Aero designs.

But thank you Badger, when are you able to tell us more?

TF110 · 25 Aug 2012, 08:45 (Ref:3124435)

The Toyota is pushing the envelope now, it's nothing even special either, so I wouldn't expect anything drastic.

The Badger · 25 Aug 2012, 10:41 (Ref:3124475)

I think their work on the rear wing is special .....everybody ranting and roaring pre season at first glimse of the Audi ..... and this isnt special !!!

Wouldnt surprise me to see them batter Audi come 2013 ..... this is a development year for the TSO-30 afterall , and look at how well its going .

Took the lead fair and square from Audi at Le Mans ..... thats special enough for me .

And the rear wing is special enough that nobody else has tried it ..... wonder who will sprout one of those next ?

MitchZ06 · 25 Aug 2012, 11:11 (Ref:3124486)

It's TS030 not TSO-30, we were talking about english and how literate 'my bad' was so we can atleast get this right no?

Salamus · 25 Aug 2012, 11:24 (Ref:3124495)

Porsche are further in this project than I expected. Great news!

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