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GORDON STREETER · 8 Mar 2012, 21:00 (Ref:3037227)

Disgusted from Tunbridge Wells here.
I notice that this thread have gone down to the lowest denominator as usual !

Tim the Grey · 9 Mar 2012, 12:21 (Ref:3037483)

Says the man with THAT avatar???
Disgruntled in Oxford.

105 Mad · 9 Mar 2012, 16:41 (Ref:3037579)

Did anyone see the article in 'Motorsport News' about Mildenhall Hot Rods winning their case for noise? It was the usual thing, a new comer bought a house close by then complained, looks like the judge took the view that since the venue has been making noise for a number of yrs, the newcomer should have taken that into account.

As this appeared to be some kind of test case it could help other circuits like Thruxton, Croft etc.

SAMD · 9 Mar 2012, 16:58 (Ref:3037585)

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Originally Posted by 105 Mad

Did anyone see the article in 'Motorsport News' about Mildenhall Hot Rods winning their case for noise? It was the usual thing, a new comer bought a house close by then complained, looks like the judge took the view that since the venue has been making noise for a number of yrs, the newcomer should have taken that into account.

As this appeared to be some kind of test case it could help other circuits like Thruxton, Croft etc.

Aye, it has been aired on a few threads.

grantp · 13 Mar 2012, 02:01 (Ref:3039133)

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Originally Posted by Rudernst

The noise restrictions on Saturday are due to a planning application from Doningtion that is meant to get them more noisy (fully unrestricted) racedays which are very rare at DP.

But to gain that they had to offer something.
Noise limit at trackdays is much much more policed now without it beeing actually changed.
Same for "medium noise" racedays.

This was the explanation offered at the last trackday that I did at DP last week
At that trackday they ran a "no warning, your are out on the first offence policy"
absurdly with no noise check beforehand

there are online noise meters at the track that are wired up directly to the goverment environmental authorites.

Rudolf

That is also my understanding of the situation. There used to be someone on site checking the noise levels. Whether that system has been updated I don't know. I would guess that they can just record the results and review them at leisure after the event. Sort of like speed cameras on the roads.

I think the noise problem is a general one that, as I recall, the FiA are involved with in terms of trying to reduce noise in all clases of motor sport. Presumably this is meant to make F1 unique in appealing to those of us who rather like the sounds of highly tuned internal combustion engines.

It may also be a prelude for them shrugging their collective shoulders and pointing out that electric racing is the only way to go. (Providing they don't allow noisy tyres.)

As far as I can tell Donington is working with the same sort of constraints that most other circuits have to adhere to as encouraged by the various motorsport controlling bodies.

Donington are trying to gain a few potentially revenue generating days for the bigger meetings and that seems reasonable given that the place needs income for investment.

All of that said there have been a few quite noisy test days recently yet other days when one has expected noise have been pretty quiet at my location about a mile north of the track. A lot depends on weather conditions and wind direction.

As I recall one peculiar factor of the noise control conditions related to the planning consent is to do with the he number of consecutive 'noisy' days that are permitted and from memory there are rather few times when up to 3 consecutive noise days are allowed. This means that the number of big meetings the circuit can attract is limited in any single season. It also explains why Test days are mostly Thursdays. Whilst a Friday test day might be more appealing to those travelling some distance the planning rules work against such an efficient way of scheduling things.

FWIW I have seen that you can get an 'App' for mobile phones that reports the noise level the phone detects. It doesn't work on all phones though. Not sure why. Perhaps some have background noise cancelling systems that defeat the attempt. No idea how accurate it might be.

Nevertheless, as you point out Rudolph, no test and no warning before expulsion is not a great way to treat customers. Especially for something like a noise test where the methods and results can be, shall we say, inconsistent at the best of times.

Colin McKay · 18 Mar 2012, 18:08 (Ref:3044061)

How was Guards, Peter? I was trying to follow it on MST Live but very difficult to work out quite what's going on. Oh for a commentary!

Moosehead · 18 Mar 2012, 18:31 (Ref:3044069)

I had a great day at Donington yesterday - good to meet up with Grant, Delta, Compte and Alan. Thoroughly enjoyed my inaugural Delta tea despite Compte's warning I should have a tetanus booster

Hardly saw any racing except for the Historic Roadsports as a mate was entered in his Mustang.

Was hoping to get back today but my 'plans' for an early morning Mothers Day dash were scuppered by 'er indoors' having a lie in.

delta · 18 Mar 2012, 19:21 (Ref:3044106)

You do realise that you are now my co driver for the Escort Wayne.Its all in the tea mate.Nurburgring here we come.

Moosehead · 18 Mar 2012, 22:13 (Ref:3044231)

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Originally Posted by delta

You do realise that you are now my co driver for the Escort Wayne.Its all in the tea mate.Nurburgring here we come.

No problem with that, I have a big affinity to Escorts - really wished I'd kept my RS a few years back.

**Peter Mallett** · 19 Mar 2012, 08:44 (Ref:3044446)

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Originally Posted by Colin McKay

How was Guards, Peter? I was trying to follow it on MST Live but very difficult to work out quite what's going on. Oh for a commentary!

qualifying a bit greasy and I really need to change my style to get the car going quicker. It was good fun and had a great dice with an Elan for a few laps. Went quicker so that was good.

My first HSCC event was fun. Currently in T5 so a more detailed post later.

Sent from my BlackBerry 9900 using Tapatalk

bigvalveelan · 19 Mar 2012, 12:58 (Ref:3044616)

Had a nice little run in Roadsports. Despite little attention over the last 5 months, (new spark plugs, fresh fuel & a set of tyres) the Elan was super to drive.

I saw the rainclouds on the horizon but they held off until at least race 5 so that was a bonus too!

Next outing is Goodwood Spring Sprint, then HSCC at Cadwell. Maybe I might meet some tenthers there ......One of these days I'll get my Élan GTS ready to go out.

Paul (HRS #1)

Greem · 19 Mar 2012, 15:07 (Ref:3044696)

I was flagging at Coppice on Sunday. Peter's race in the MGB was pretty entertaining - little groups throughout the field, and all tremendously well behaved in that there was no contact we had to report. Some of the bigger cars were getting a regular drift on the exit which was fun to watch.

With the exception of a bit of oil there on an already greasy track in the morning causing some cars to run wide through the gravel, we saw some great racing - lots of position changes and lots of lining up cars for a move on the exit. Was a pity Richard Dutton dropped his Mustang in the gravel at the end of the TC race though as it was running well.

I'm looking forward to the Historic Festival in May now. That should be a belter.

percy · 19 Mar 2012, 18:38 (Ref:3044801)

A great start to the season - I was spectating for Sunday's races and there were some great battles going on. Hopefully I'll post some photos before the end of the week.

grantp · 19 Mar 2012, 20:17 (Ref:3044878)

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Originally Posted by Greem

I was flagging at Coppice on Sunday. Peter's race in the MGB was pretty entertaining - little groups throughout the field, and all tremendously well behaved in that there was no contact we had to report. Some of the bigger cars were getting a regular drift on the exit which was fun to watch.

Ah ha, so it was you at Coppice on Sunday morning. Never did make it back out there later in the day.

The Richard Dutton Mustang looked pretty lairy into McLeans after the first few laps. Locking rears I think but whether due to brakes or clutch/gear selection problems (or something else) was not too clear.

Did anyone else notice how friendly all the circuit staff were? Notably the security chaps. A couple of people mentioned it over the weekend. On my way out at about 18:30 on Sunday evening the lad on the gate asked me if I had enjoyed the event and when would I be visiting next? Very amiable and very well briefed on the future events calendar it seemed. As was his supervisor who I had chatted to on several occasions over the weekend.

If that's the way the season is going to be supported there should be great meetings for all at Donington this year.

**Peter Mallett** · 19 Mar 2012, 20:43 (Ref:3044894)

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Originally Posted by grantp

Did anyone else notice how friendly all the circuit staff were? Notably the security chaps. A couple of people mentioned it over the weekend. On my way out at about 18:30 on Sunday evening the lad on the gate asked me if I had enjoyed the event and when would I be visiting next? Very amiable and very well briefed on the future events calendar it seemed. As was his supervisor who I had chatted to on several occasions over the weekend.

If that's the way the season is going to be supported there should be great meetings for all at Donington this year.

Agreed, we made sure they got a wave and a smile as we left. But I have to say the whole weekend was like that. Scrutineering, all smiles and assistance, although being told to polish my helmet by someone whom I only met five minutes previously, was a bit over the top I thought.

Bumped into a few tenthers, Robyn slater, Dave GT6 (I'll get yer next time), a couple of nice chaps in the By Box Saloons (not tenthers), a real racing driver who was wearing shades so it took a second to realise it was Simon Hadfield

. Missed Delta and the Compte but we did look for the truck. Had a good chat with Jim Campbell who is the driving force behind FISCAR. I'll get you too next time!

As to the event; Practice was wet/greasy and I was equally wet. Far too much braking really. The MG needs to be driven like a go kart and I just couldn't find the confidence. None the less I wasn't last and had a few competitive cars around me. However, having seen the angles achieved by Whizzo in the droop snoot B I should at least have gained a bit of a clue as to how to drive!

The drivers briefing was lighthearted but serious enough to bring the important points home, thank you to the existing members for your welcome.

We had a standing start, my first for quite some time and I allowed a couple of cars to get past. I soon regained those places and started on those in front. We were in a gaggle of around four cars (including a green Elan, a blue TVR and a red MGB). Got past the Elan, then a bit later he got past me and we were mostly together all through the race. Around ten laps from the end the Elan got past and I followed, we diced all round the lap and try as I might, he was just a bit too wide. Hopefully we provided some entertainment down the back.

I think I passed four cars on merit and the rest was due to attrition. Nonetheless a most enjoyable experience. Made better because we beat Whizzo!

percy · 19 Mar 2012, 20:50 (Ref:3044897)

Some photos.

Saving rubber by only using 3 tyres...

Colin McKay · 19 Mar 2012, 21:39 (Ref:3044936)

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Originally Posted by Greem

all tremendously well behaved in that there was no contact we had to report.

Glad to hear that, as I said it's frustratingly difficult to interpret what's happening from just the live timing, interesting though it is. I noticed 2 E-types that were 0.2s apart at the start of the lap they both dropped out on, so feared the worst.

Alan Morgan · 19 Mar 2012, 21:40 (Ref:3044937)

Fully agree with Grant about the politeness of the security staff. When the guy on the gate said "I hope you have a good weekend" I really felt as though he meant it.

Top marks to Donington.

johngee · 19 Mar 2012, 22:20 (Ref:3044955)

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Originally Posted by Alan Morgan

Fully agree with Grant about the politeness of the security staff. When the guy on the gate said "I hope you have a good weekend" I really felt as though he meant it.

Top marks to Donington.

I wouldn't be surprised if that's Christopher Tate's influence.

Edwardo · 19 Mar 2012, 22:24 (Ref:3044960)

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Originally Posted by Alan Morgan

Fully agree with Grant about the politeness of the security staff. When the guy on the gate said "I hope you have a good weekend" I really felt as though he meant it.

Top marks to Donington.

Must agree, had not thought about it til reading the posts one here but yes we had great weekend all the more enhanced by the welcome on the gate. Made a point of stopping on the way home to say thanks to the gate keepers.

Edwardo spanner man car 71

grantp · 20 Mar 2012, 01:19 (Ref:3045063)

Tea, "B" and difficult to see.

**Peter Mallett** · 20 Mar 2012, 06:22 (Ref:3045104)

Good pics, like the wet one.

rbm · 20 Mar 2012, 07:58 (Ref:3045126)

What a cracking picture - obviously before I threw the Revis off at Redgate

SJWBallistic · 20 Mar 2012, 10:44 (Ref:3045233)

Richard
I agree the picture is superb.
I think it was some of the worst conditions I have ever raced in. Not only was the rain heavy, down the two straights we had the evening sun straight in our eyes

Stuart Wright

**Peter Mallett** · 20 Mar 2012, 10:50 (Ref:3045240)

Im still trying to work out where that is on the track.

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