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30 Jul 2017, 20:04 (Ref:3756157) | #51 | |
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Kimi seemed to have the pace today, but he needed to have it every weekend if he wanted to pass his team mate who's in title contention, today.
Brilliant sportsmanship by both Merc drivers, wonderful to see Both McLarens in the points, not surprising since this is the circuit behind Monaco where horsepower matters the least. Hulk did at least try to make the corner with that incident with Grosjean at Turn 1, Kevin didn't even try to use the racing line in Turn 2, that's the difference Max had a plonker moment there on lap 1, but fair play for apologising |
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Then you might as well instruct Bottas to let Lewis through every time. Or even sandbag during qualifying. Why not? Let's forget about the racing, leave it aside, and concentrate on winning the title. Maybe some would love that, but I think real fans would start taking F1 less seriously. Lewis initially had 5 laps to try and move up, after which he was to give back the position, which belonged to Bottas. That was the agreement. He kept the position much longer, almost until the end, and gave it back right at the last moment. Giving back the position was the right decision, and I was very glad to see some fair play, in contrast to what I've previously seen at Mercedes, and at Ferrari, especially during the Schumacher years. At the same time, I think the team may have instructed Lewis not to give back the position. First, he stayed ahead almost until the end, and not for 5 laps. And second, there is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AurfDcOHQQA I always knew there was something unpleasant about that Toto. Note how Lauda doesn't react at all, while Anthony Hamilton looks a little conflicted, but shows some firm approval. It really looks like the team disregarded the deal between Bottas and Lewis, but Lewis, for whatever reason, made his own decision. |
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Also it would send a majorly wrong message to Bottas who can easily be a key player in the team's future, a cheaper, far more controlable alternative to Hamilton with pretty much the same abilty to score... in other words, he brings the points home at bargain prices, why would the team shoot him in the leg like that...makes zero sense. |
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31 Jul 2017, 08:58 (Ref:3756267) | #57 | |
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Also it means he doesn't have to ask another question about controversy between his two drivers
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31 Jul 2017, 09:20 (Ref:3756272) | #58 | |
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You guys are kidding, right? He's obviously furious. Funny how Lauda is cold faced towards Toto while he's "celebrating".
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Toto was celebrating Lewis not losing a spot trying to hand the position back!
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31 Jul 2017, 10:04 (Ref:3756304) | #61 | |
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Interesting to see Hamilton absolutely fly once released. It seems the cars ability to follow and pass could be tweaked.
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Things get broken when Toto is furious. Lauda is straight faced because all he saw was a straightforward swap of positions, something he wouldn't get emotional about. |
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31 Jul 2017, 14:31 (Ref:3756430) | #63 | ||
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Toto looks like a man who just realized his summer holiday won't be ruined with driver debriefs, online twitter wars, board meetings about PR ramifications, and weeks of inane media questions about rules of engagement.
Enjoy the break....been an excellent first half of the season! |
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for sure it can come back into play...LH has lost a title and won a title by a single point before. not to mention any number of other seasons where it has come down to a small handful of points.
makes it all the more exciting though! |
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I am not a Hamilton fan. I will go as far as to say I am not keen on him winning the championship this year. But, I also have no problem saying he did the right thing here and I hope he doesn't loose by three points so that this true gesture of "sportsmanship" and "keeping his word" doesn't become clouded in the future. Why are we all so eager to convert something good in F1 into something bad. Richard |
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31 Jul 2017, 16:35 (Ref:3756452) | #67 | |
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Toto looked intense and aggressive, but also positive. I don't see the issue.
I do find Lewis odd. He gave the position back because he couldn't make the pass? But if he made the pass would he have been ok with team orders? He says he wants to win "the right way", which must mean if he'd challenged a Ferrari then he'd have been winning the wrong way? I don't know. I have no problem with him giving the spot back (or being given it in the first place), but the whole "I want to win the right way" sounds like ego nonsense when you look at it beyond face value. Almost like those mind games that Fernando used to play before he realised he was terrible at mind games. |
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the 'wrong way' would be not getting by the Ferrari and then not giving the place back to his team mate after he failed in the attempt and thus put those 3 points into his own pocket? after all Bottas is fighting for a title as well...which LH seems to respect. or perhaps i just read your post incorrectly. granted one can make an argument that LH would have not done the same if the roles were reversed but thats a different discussion to this one imo. |
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31 Jul 2017, 19:13 (Ref:3756510) | #70 | |
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Maybe, but nobody makes as many odd statements to the press as Lewis does. I find that interesting. Its the same phase Fernando went through when he had hard times at Ferrari against Red Bull. Playing weird kind games and what not. It's interesting. Certainly more interesting than "suck my balls" anyway.
I just found it odd to make reference to the whole team mate thing. They've all benefited and lost out due to that over the years so it was a strange statement. |
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1 Aug 2017, 00:15 (Ref:3756565) | #71 | |
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If you look at T1 at about 14-15s into the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU72heP0uH0
I wonder if that was payback from Kimi for last years race and all the other **** that went down last season? I mean what other reason would there be to brake like that mid corner? Certainly not to avoid Seb? |
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I suppose that he realized that holding the outside was going to loose momentum at the exit of turn 1 by either being pushed off the track or having to back off the throttle. Better to brake earlier in the corner and get a good exit than trying to maintain an unsavable position and run the chance to get caught by the Red Bull and/or the Mercedes up to turn 2. By doing so he gave them a good scare and both Ferraris were able to hold their position. |
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Interesting to look at Max's little happening with Ricciardo at 1:06 in the above Youtube clip, he would have run into the back of Lewis if he hadn't locked up, and Ricciardo could possibly have run right round the outside of Lewis if he hadn't been torpedoed! Lewis was very slow into that corner! Last edited by wnut; 1 Aug 2017 at 07:59. |
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Kimi break tested Max, hoping it would cause a concertina effect when Max braked - and take out the two Merc's behind. Typical Ferrari tactics. Probably discussed and planned during the pre race debrief.
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