LM24 Race 2014 24 Hours of Le Mans Entry List Thread - Page 5

Japanese Samurai · 20 Dec 2013, 15:07 (Ref:3346321)

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Originally Posted by 911targa

12 auto entries next year, the only surprise comes from Risi, with a 458 back in PRO class
http://www.24h-lemans.com/wpphpFichi...es-du-mans.pdf

Where is the team TAISAN?

**Aysedasi** · 20 Dec 2013, 15:12 (Ref:3346325)

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Originally Posted by isynge

Isn't this just the list of those who are "invited to enter" rather than an indication that they have entered?

That's what I always understood......

Dead-Eye · 20 Dec 2013, 15:36 (Ref:3346339)

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Originally Posted by 911targa

12 auto entries next year, the only surprise comes from Risi, with a 458 back in PRO class
http://www.24h-lemans.com/wpphpFichi...es-du-mans.pdf

I like how according to this, Joest would have to enter AsLMS, ELMS or TUSCC in P1 to take up their entry. That I'd like to see

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Originally Posted by isynge

Isn't this just the list of those who are "invited to enter" rather than an indication that they have entered?

Yes, but in case of IMSA they don't give out the invites based on points, IMSA simply picks who gets them. I'd assume they would have a fairly good idea whether the team they pick intends to take up the entry.

kober · 20 Dec 2013, 16:07 (Ref:3346349)

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Originally Posted by Dead-Eye

I like how according to this, Joest would have to enter AsLMS, ELMS or TUSCC in P1 to take up their entry. That I'd like to see

Well, the "Each invitation will only be granted if the car in question is entered in 2014 in one of the following Series: Asian Le Mans Series, European Le Mans Series and Tudor United SportsCar Championship." requirement doesn't make much sense in case of an LMP1 invite, doesn't?
But in case of Audi/Joest it doesn't really matter - they will enter two cars for WEC, and that gives them the right to enter a third car for Le Mans. And that's what they'll do.

Getting back to the list, a surprise, at least to me, is the missing invite for SMP in GTE-Am, due to "The winner of the GTC category who did not take part in all ELMS events cannot be invited" rule. Shame - they were a class better than the opposition, and they would be a worthy addition to the field.

FstrthnU · 20 Dec 2013, 16:30 (Ref:3346355)

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Originally Posted by kober

Well, the "Each invitation will only be granted if the car in question is entered in 2014 in one of the following Series: Asian Le Mans Series, European Le Mans Series and Tudor United SportsCar Championship." requirement doesn't make much sense in case of an LMP1 invite, doesn't?
But in case of Audi/Joest it doesn't really matter - they will enter two cars for WEC, and that gives them the right to enter a third car for Le Mans. And that's what they'll do.

Getting back to the list, a surprise, at least to me, is the missing invite for SMP in GTE-Am, due to "The winner of the GTC category who did not take part in all ELMS events cannot be invited" rule. Shame - they were a class better than the opposition, and they would be a worthy addition to the field.

SMP Racing will enter 2 LMP2 cars in the WEC, and considering how well-funded they are they could probably get GTE-Am entries for Le Mans if they wanted to

kober · 20 Dec 2013, 16:55 (Ref:3346363)

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Originally Posted by FstrthnU

SMP Racing will enter 2 LMP2 cars in the WEC, and considering how well-funded they are they could probably get GTE-Am entries for Le Mans if they wanted to.

Do you mean that they would probably get a two-car invite for GTE-Am even without entering WEC? They would need to enter two GTE cars in ELMS/AsLMS/USCC instead, to meet the prerequisite, wouldn't they?

Simmi · 20 Dec 2013, 22:07 (Ref:3346444)

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Originally Posted by isynge

Isn't this just the list of those who are "invited to enter" rather than an indication that they have entered?

Yes you're right it is. But as Dead-Eye said the series is believed to consult teams on whether they want to make the trip before offering the invite.

That said it didn't exactly translate into success with ESM, Dyson and the like. Let's see.

Simmi · 20 Dec 2013, 22:23 (Ref:3346448)

Was looking through the supplementary regs for the 2014 race trying to find some stuff. I quite quickly found something I wasn't aware of regarding drivers being allowed into the race.

Apparently if you're a rookie you don't have to be present at Test Day. Instead you can jump in the simulator. Is this a new rule? Or has it been in place a while?

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64.1 - The drivers who have never taken part in the 24 Heures du Mans, or drivers who are not on the list of confirmed drivers since 2009 24 Heures du Mans (see Appendix XII), must inevitably:
a) Take part in the 2014 Test Day and must inevitably complete a minimum of 10 laps.
b) Take a training course with an ACO approved simulator (half-day training) on 29 May 2014 at the latest.
The presentation of the training certificate is compulsary for the administrative checks of the 24 Hours of le Mans.

Information and booking for training with ACO approved simulator: available from February 2014.

http://www.24h-lemans.com/wpphpFichi...egulations.pdf

That said, if you're a new competitor (a new team) then you have to be there if you haven't done Le Mans before.

Bandicoot17 · 20 Dec 2013, 22:35 (Ref:3346451)

I read that as they must do both?

Beetle · 20 Dec 2013, 22:39 (Ref:3346453)

http://sportscar365.com/wec/lemans/a...ites-for-lm24/

So, Muscle Milk is officially in for LMP2. I wonder if they'll push an entry at the 24 this year with Luhr and Graf.

Also, Risi Competizione has been designated for competition. I know Krohn Racing won't be in the WEC in 2014, but they're looking to make the TUSC NAEC rounds with the 458 Italia so could we see a Krohn-Risi parternship at Le Mans with one or two cars? That would be nice.

FstrthnU · 20 Dec 2013, 22:52 (Ref:3346457)

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Originally Posted by Beetle

http://sportscar365.com/wec/lemans/a...ites-for-lm24/

So, Muscle Milk is officially in for LMP2. I wonder if they'll push an entry at the 24 this year with Luhr and Graf.

Also, Risi Competizione has been designated for competition. I know Krohn Racing won't be in the WEC in 2014, but they're looking to make the TUSC NAEC rounds with the 458 Italia so could we see a Krohn-Risi parternship at Le Mans with one or two cars? That would be nice.

Just because they're given the entry doesn't mean they will take it up. Risi has apparently confirmed that they will enter Le Mans, but Muscle Milk hasn't said anything. Remember that Dyson Racing and Muscle Milk turned down their 2012 invitations and so did Conquest Racing and Extreme Speed Motorsports in 2013.

Beetle · 21 Dec 2013, 07:26 (Ref:3346533)

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Originally Posted by FstrthnU

Just because they're given the entry doesn't mean they will take it up. Risi has apparently confirmed that they will enter Le Mans, but Muscle Milk hasn't said anything. Remember that Dyson Racing and Muscle Milk turned down their 2012 invitations and so did Conquest Racing and Extreme Speed Motorsports in 2013.

That's true, but I've heard that IMSA's team selection system is heavily influenced by a team's interest in participation. Here's the article by Sportscar365: http://sportscar365.com/wec/lemans/a...ites-for-lm24/

Also, mark your calendars for FEBRUARY 13TH!! All WEC and LM24 entries will be announced then!

Additionally, it looks like Jota Sport going back to Le Mans... looking for "2 quick single seater guys". Also hinted in the article that Oliver Turvey may be one of them. No offense meant to any of the guys at Jota but don't you think a driver of Turvey's caliber should be getting on with his career. He should be in LMP1 by now, IMHO.
http://www.endurance-info.com/en/jot...-mans-in-2014/

Simmi · 21 Dec 2013, 09:06 (Ref:3346543)

I think if he says they are looking for two guys then Turvey probably won't be with them. But I'm sure they've left the door open if he can't advance up the ladder.

He should be at least doing the WEC tracks, hopefully with Rebellion. Maybe someone like Harry Ticknell could end up with Jota.

**Aysedasi** · 21 Dec 2013, 09:29 (Ref:3346545)

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Originally Posted by Bandicoot17

I read that as they must do both?

I do too. There's no 'or' there and it would be frankly absurd if there was......

Simmi · 21 Dec 2013, 10:37 (Ref:3346572)

Yep fair point guys. Upon actually reading it you're right. I suppose it's fairly commonplace now for drivers to jump in the simulator. Didn't know it was a requirement.

I still think the ACO should be a bit stricter in the overall quality of an entry given the stature of the race.

**Aysedasi** · 21 Dec 2013, 13:22 (Ref:3346610)

It is interesting its there though. Just goes to show how much faith is put in simulators these days.

Bandicoot17 · 21 Dec 2013, 22:01 (Ref:3346789)

Well it depends what they are actually doing in it I suppose. It's being labeled as a training course so I guess it's not out and out practice laps.

Intimidator · 22 Dec 2013, 16:53 (Ref:3346983)

Why Risi Competizione has an invite for LM2014? Shouldn't have been Corvette Racing?

Simmi · 22 Dec 2013, 16:57 (Ref:3346985)

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Originally Posted by Intimidator

Why Risi Competizione has an invite for LM2014? Shouldn't have been Corvette Racing?

The ALMS (and next year TUSC) invites aren't handed out based on championship results.

They are known as 'at large' invites, meaning it is the decision of the series who they pick.

Giving the invite to Corvette is a waste seen as they are basically guaranteed two entries each year. Why not give it to someone else and try to get more American entries into the race.

The idea is they give invites to teams who would like to go. That doesn't always translate to a final entry - but it's a start. Risi say they still need to get the budget in place, but at least they know they have an entry on the table.

Simmi · 23 Dec 2013, 18:06 (Ref:3347311)

Muscle Milk Pickett are weighing up whether to go or not.

Oreca would help them out so it would be a great opportunity. There will always be a reason not to go - but hopefully they'll throw their hat in the ring.

http://www.racer.com/pickett-conside...rticle/326862/

Beetle · 24 Dec 2013, 05:00 (Ref:3347487)

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Originally Posted by Simmi

Muscle Milk Pickett are weighing up whether to go or not.

Oreca would help them out so it would be a great opportunity. There will always be a reason not to go - but hopefully they'll throw their hat in the ring.

http://www.racer.com/pickett-conside...rticle/326862/

It's a great opportunity and I'd be shocked if they don't take it.

The reason not to go is money. But, if people were logical, no team outside of Europe would ever go to Le Mans. Long live the delusional!

Simmi · 24 Dec 2013, 10:21 (Ref:3347543)

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Originally Posted by Beetle

It's a great opportunity and I'd be shocked if they don't take it.

The reason not to go is money. But, if people were logical, no team outside of Europe would ever go to Le Mans. Long live the delusional!

IMO they have to, in a very short space of time, weigh up how good their TUSC championship chances are, and how detrimental a trip over to Le Mans could be to that.

How much could be sorted by Oreca, how much would need sending there, how much would need immediately sending back in time for the next race? How do they negotiate test day?

You can work out the bottom stuff quite easily, but the top half is almost impossible to work out.

Do they play it slightly selfish and take the entry anyway, then see how things pan out? That could buy them a bit of time before choosing whether to pull out. There's lots going on besides money.

FstrthnU · 5 Jan 2014, 02:41 (Ref:3350472)

http://sportscar365.com/wec/lemans/m...-oreca-nissan/
Muscle Milk to return to Le Mans with Graf-Luhr-Pickett in LMP2!

Beetle · 5 Jan 2014, 07:06 (Ref:3350508)

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Originally Posted by FstrthnU

http://sportscar365.com/wec/lemans/m...-oreca-nissan/
Muscle Milk to return to Le Mans with Graf-Luhr-Pickett in LMP2!

Fantastic news, and Greg Pickett himself coming back is a great story.

TheNo1F1Fan · 5 Jan 2014, 09:23 (Ref:3350533)

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Originally Posted by FstrthnU

http://sportscar365.com/wec/lemans/m...-oreca-nissan/
Muscle Milk to return to Le Mans with Graf-Luhr-Pickett in LMP2!

The Oreca-Nissan car might look fine for the team IMO.

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