Sergio Perez - Can he still hack it?

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Has a 2nd placed driver in the WDC ever finished closer in points to the last place than 1st before?

Not sure but 1992 and 1997 must have been close.

[Teretonga]

1992 108 to 56
1997 81 t0 42

[Skam85]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Has a 2nd placed driver in the WDC ever finished closer in points to the last place than 1st before?

In 1997 we had the scenario where the 2nd placed driver in the WDC was also the last placed driver

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by Skam85

In 1997 we had the scenario where the 2nd placed driver in the WDC was also the last placed driver

But if is DQed from the championship and he forfeits all of his points, is he placed at all?

[E.B]

Had it not been for dropped scores in 1963 it would have happened..... Clark scored in every race bar Monaco, and thus with only the 6 best results counting dropped from 73 to 54 nett. 2nd placed Hill only scored in 5 races so maintained his 29 points.

In 1954 IF all scores had counted it would have been the case with Fangio and Gonzalez.
Pre dropping scores they were 57.14 > 26.64 which nett became 42 > 25.14

[Skam85]

Originally Posted by Teretonga

But if is DQed from the championship and he forfeits all of his points, is he placed at all?

I don't believe his points were forfeited in the same way that Brundle and co's were in 1984 - the F1 website does have Schumacher listed in 2nd behind Villeneuve but with a big DQ next to his name.

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by Skam85

I don't believe his points were forfeited in the same way that Brundle and co's were in 1984 - the F1 website does have Schumacher listed in 2nd behind Villeneuve but with a big DQ next to his name.

So it is saying he finished second but is irrelevant because he was Dqed from the championship.
What does the FIA record say....?

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by Teretonga

So it is saying he finished second but is irrelevant because he was Dqed from the championship.
What does the FIA record say....?

https://web.archive.org/web/20061102..._1997_WMSC.pdf

The World Council found that Michael Schumacher's manoeuvre was an instinctive reaction and although
deliberate not made with malice or premeditation. It was a serious error. The World Council decided to
exclude Michael Schumacher from the results of the 1997 FIA Formula One World Championship for drivers.
The final results of the FIA Formula One World Championship have been modified accordingly. The results of
the Constructors' Championship remain unchanged. Michael Schumacher retains his points and victories
recorded during the 1997 season.
In lieu of any further penalty or fine, Michael Schumacher agreed to participate in the FIA European road
safety campaign for a total of seven days in 1998.

[Skam85]

We're all arguing semantics over a tongue in cheek comment.

The ten-tenths/internet way.

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by Skam85

We're all arguing semantics over a tongue in cheek comment.

The ten-tenths/internet way.

No argument Skam.
Just a question I wanted a clarification on and I was too lazy to do the research myself.
Some good anoraks here who know more than me....

[Skam85]

Originally Posted by Teretonga

No argument Skam.
Just a question I wanted a clarification on and I was too lazy to do the research myself.
Some good anoraks here who know more than me....

All good fellow 20yr member! My tongue in cheek reply was also tongue in cheek.
As is this one

[Aysedasi]

I suspect those in management at RBR didn't exactly cheer like the rest of us when Alonso repassed Perez on the last lap.....

[Akrapovic]

It's hard to argue Sergio did well in Brazil, but it's easy to argue that he did what he needed to do. There was 2 races, and he outscored Lewis in both. He now has 32 point gap with 2 races to go. It's unlikely he'll lose his second place.

[Aysedasi]

True enough. It must be frustrating for the guy, seeing your teammate stroll to 17 wins in a single season.....

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

It's hard to argue Sergio did well in Brazil, but it's easy to argue that he did what he needed to do. There was 2 races, and he outscored Lewis in both. He now has 32 point gap with 2 races to go. It's unlikely he'll lose his second place.

He was under great pressure and he pulled off a third and a fourth, and greatly extended his lead over Hamilton, so not too bad at all perhaps. Qualifying better would perhaps have made P3, at the very least, more of a formality.

He also scored more than 50% of Verstappen's points, although I think remains below 50% of his season total, which has been suggested could be something of note in his contract.

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

True enough. It must be frustrating for the guy, seeing your teammate stroll to 17 wins in a single season.....

Agreed. And whilst everyone (including me) is ready to criticise Perez, RBR are getting away remarkably lightly in the discussion about a driver in their second seat failing again. We should be having discussions about Webber, Ricciardo, Kvyat, Gasly and Albons failures in that seat, and why.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

RBR are getting away remarkably lightly in the discussion about a driver in their second seat failing again. We should be having discussions about Webber, Ricciardo, Kvyat, Gasly and Albons failures in that seat, and why.

Apart from Mark, they've all been toasted by VER. A lot of people haven't recognised just what a generational talent VER is, which perhaps makes their judgements of his team-mates worse than otherwise they might be.

[crmalcolm]

I don't think it was a consistent dominance by Verstappen over Ricciardo - when you look at 2016 and 2017.

It took until 2018 before Verstappen got the other hand, his third season in the car. Pérez is a bit behind that curve - and likely to be second favourite within the team for a while with Max around.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

I don't think it was a consistent dominance by Verstappen over Ricciardo - when you look at 2016 and 2017.

It took until 2018 before Verstappen got the other hand, his third season in the car.

Ricc was/is a very high-level driver, but the direction of travel was very clear from the start IMO.

[Aysedasi]

I don't think there's any doubt at all what a talent Max is. You don't luck into three WDC's and 17 wins in a season without being the best, however he also has a near-unbeatable car and a team which is geared totally towards achieving success with him. That's not a criticism, it's all about maximising what you have available to you. 2016/17 were now 6/7 years ago and Max has matured as a driver and has the confidence that comes with being able to literally brush aside the opposition. This season he's basically only had to turn up to know he would win. I think there are one or two other drivers out there who are/could be as good, but they don't have his complete package and even if one of them replaced Perez they'd be on the back foot from the start. You would need to have huge confidence in your ability to go to RBR alongside Max right now as it could literally be a career ending move.

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by peebee2

He was under great pressure and he pulled off a third and a fourth, and greatly extended his lead over Hamilton, so not too bad at all perhaps. Qualifying better would perhaps have made P3, at the very least, more of a formality.

He also scored more than 50% of Verstappen's points, although I think remains below 50% of his season total, which has been suggested could be something of note in his contract.

His qualifying run was interrupted by a yellow in the third sector. Had he completed it under a clear track according to his earlier sectors he would have on the second row...

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by Teretonga

His qualifying run was interrupted by a yellow in the third sector. Had he completed it under a clear track according to his earlier sectors he would have on the second row...

Yes, sorry, that’s what I meant. Although others could also have improved.

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by Teretonga

His qualifying run was interrupted by a yellow in the third sector. Had he completed it under a clear track according to his earlier sectors he would have on the second row...

Yes, that was a bad strategy to send him out a little later than Max with rain threatening. He didn't stand a chance with the yellow

[Guthrie]

He needs to have two great performances in the last couple of races in order to retain his Red Bull seat. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a surprise if we see him get replaced by Ricciardo or maybe some other driver.

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by Guthrie

He needs to have two great performances in the last couple of races in order to retain his Red Bull seat. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a surprise if we see him get replaced by Ricciardo or maybe some other driver.

The general consensus at the moment is that he will certainly be starting next season in the car. Who knows how things go from there!