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Old 22 Feb 2014, 20:12 (Ref:3371098)   #176
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Why would any American build a Camaro / Mustang / Challenger body on a spec chassis?

Oh, wait...
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Old 22 Feb 2014, 20:56 (Ref:3371115)   #177
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BTW DTM-A needs its own name... DTM-America just sounds dumb to me.
ATM (American Touring Masters)?
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Old 22 Feb 2014, 20:58 (Ref:3371116)   #178
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Why would any American build a Camaro / Mustang / Challenger body on a spec chassis?

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For the same reasons the Germans and Japanese did? To go racing under that ruleset?
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Old 22 Feb 2014, 22:21 (Ref:3371127)   #179
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Why would any American build a Camaro / Mustang / Challenger body on a spec chassis?

Oh, wait...
Yeah Americans have been doing that for ages in multiple series

Honestly the idea of a global series with these three combined together intrigues me.

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ATM (American Touring Masters)?
Trans Am ?
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Funny.
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Camaro, Mustang, Challenger...
I've seen references that silhouette racing (Trans Am) being popular in the States, and Trans Am was at its peak popularity in 1970, with Mustang, Camaro and Challenger... makes more sense to go that proven route than to go with less popular Cadillac, Lincoln, and Lexus.

But we are talking about US road racing, where very little sense is ever witnessed.
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Old 27 Feb 2014, 15:50 (Ref:3372784)   #183
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I've seen references that silhouette racing (Trans Am) being popular in the States, and Trans Am was at its peak popularity in 1970, with Mustang, Camaro and Challenger... makes more sense to go that proven route than to go with less popular Cadillac, Lincoln, and Lexus.

But we are talking about US road racing, where very little sense is ever witnessed.
That's why the only logical conclusion that ITR/NASCAR/IMSA should have bought Trans-Am and use pony cars instead of making a series from scratch. Then again, they're too busy to notice that!

On top of that, having a 2.0 liter turbocharged I4 engine on a pony doesn't seem right. ITR and GTA shouldn't restrict the engine regulations 'cause it's a big mistake on their part.

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That's why the only logical conclusion that ITR/NASCAR/IMSA should have bought Trans-Am and use pony cars instead of making a series from scratch. Then again, they're too busy to notice that!

On top of that, having a 2.0 liter turbocharged I4 engine on a pony doesn't seem right. ITR and GTA shouldn't restrict the engine regulations 'cause it's a big mistake on their part.
The 2015 Mustang will have a 2.3 litre turbo as the mid-range engine, and the old SVO Mustangs had turbo 4's. I think there was an early-80s silhouette Mustang with one as well.

The next Camaro will also likely have a turbo 4 in the line-up, so it makes sense. I just don't see the commercial logic in the series. It makes loads of sense for ITR to want it. But considerably less so for anyone to run it. The interview with the Grand-Am officials laid it out pretty well. They won't be spending money to bring it to North America. It will be up to the manufacturers to pony (sic) up the cash for the series. And I see no business case for one in the US market. It would be cool, but not viable.
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To get the general public into the stands they're going to need big V8's, not tiny little 4 cylinder engines.

That's just the way she goes in the US.
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Old 11 Mar 2014, 04:35 (Ref:3377302)   #186
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To get the general public into the stands they're going to need big V8's, not tiny little 4 cylinder engines.

That's just the way she goes in the US.
Totally agree on that one. It might not be too late to modify the unified ruleset for 2015 or 2016, regarding the engine regulations.

Even though it might be a BoP nightmare, at least some US race fans would get noticed on those silhouette cars running on howling V8s, other than screaming turbo I4s. Engine diversity is the key.
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GTA Co., Ltd chairman Masaaki Bandoh: "For Super GT if the USA DTM style race takes place without US manufacturers [...] then it has no value for us.
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Old 18 Nov 2014, 06:35 (Ref:3476068)   #188
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Well, DTM USA is pretty much dead if no US manufacturer is involved. Besides, both Ford and GM are busy with NASCAR and TUSC, plus Pirelli World Challenge.
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Weak excuse. If you are convinced your series is so good you would race without American manufacturers.
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Weak excuse. If you are convinced your series is so good you would race without American manufacturers.
Not really. It's not about good racing, it's about beating your opponents. Racing is mostly paid from marketing budgets, whats the point of spending those if you're only repeating results from Japan or Germany? I also doubt that Americans will be interested in an 'import-only' series, they'll want their own American Iron in there to cheer for as well.
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I also doubt that Americans will be interested in an 'import-only' series, they'll want their own American Iron in there to cheer for as well.
If so, I expect IMSA to mismanage the Class One cars balance of performance in favor of American entries, especially GM.
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If so, I expect IMSA to mismanage the Class One cars balance of performance in favor of American entries, especially GM.
Can that even happen with such a tight ruleset as is class 1? Okay, maybe IMSA will allow "their boys" to use big stock-block V8s or something like that, who knows?
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It's no longer Class One if they stick a V8 instead of a turbocharged I4 Global Racing Engine.

Besides, DTM USA is dead on arrival if IMSA successfully implement manufacturer-specific bodywork onto LMP2, apart from bringing more spec into an already-spec LMP2 class.
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