IMSA Race Petit Le Mans - Page 15

Damian Baldi · 8 Oct 2017, 00:44 (Ref:3772818)

Contact between #22 and #67?

RWill2073 · 8 Oct 2017, 00:44 (Ref:3772819)

Well it's all gone mad.

67 off, 5 60 second stop and hold. 22 might get a penalty..... What the....

Lagunaseca_4life · 8 Oct 2017, 00:44 (Ref:3772820)

Noooo!!!

Derani isn't going to race for ford anytime soon...

gert · 8 Oct 2017, 00:44 (Ref:3772821)

Prototypes at the back again, stupid restart again.

Lagunaseca_4life · 8 Oct 2017, 00:46 (Ref:3772822)

Ouch....

RWill2073 · 8 Oct 2017, 00:48 (Ref:3772823)

Lol. Stream goes now.

gert · 8 Oct 2017, 00:48 (Ref:3772824)

Interesting they give Derani a penalty while Montoya got away with doing exactly the same (om one of the Lexus cars).
But then again, that is Penske and not ESM

Maelochs · 8 Oct 2017, 00:50 (Ref:3772825)

Can't tell form the low-quality stream replay what exactly happened with Derani and Briscoe ....

Maelochs · 8 Oct 2017, 00:51 (Ref:3772827)

Quote:

Originally Posted by gert

Interesting they give Derani a penalty while Montoya got away with doing exactly the same (om one of the Lexus cars).
But then again, that is Penske and not ESM

yeah ....... I don't want to go all tinfoil ..... but that will be a tough pair of calls to rationalize.

RWill2073 · 8 Oct 2017, 00:51 (Ref:3772828)

Quote:

Originally Posted by gert

Interesting they give Derani a penalty while Montoya got away with doing exactly the same (om one of the Lexus cars).
But then again, that is Penske and not ESM

Marino franchitti tweeted hindy about that. Montoya may have moved because of his tire going down due to contact with the 5. So not a purposeful move.

Maelochs · 8 Oct 2017, 00:52 (Ref:3772829)

Quote:

Originally Posted by RWill2073

Marino franchitti tweeted hindy about that. Montoya may have moved because of his tire going down due to contact with the 5. So not a purposeful move.

Might ahve .... maybe .... M. Franchiti is a heck of a lawyer.

Articus · 8 Oct 2017, 00:55 (Ref:3772830)

So Hartley takes Le Mans and Petit Le Mans 2017

RWill2073 · 8 Oct 2017, 00:56 (Ref:3772831)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Articus

So Hartley takes Le Mans and Petit Le Mans 2017

Making my pick look smart

gert · 8 Oct 2017, 00:57 (Ref:3772832)

Stop and 60 for #5
Additional drive-through for #5 for not coming in soon enough.

I'm sorry race control, you screwed up a fantastic race by those stupid restart orders.
Get that fixed for next season please! Thanks!

Maelochs · 8 Oct 2017, 00:57 (Ref:3772833)

Nothing you can do about it, but this stuff really takes the energy out of the end of the race.

Articus · 8 Oct 2017, 00:59 (Ref:3772834)

Derani had to know that move on a GTLM pro driver into the esses was not ever going to work in his wildest dreams. He'll learn from this I guess...

Articus · 8 Oct 2017, 01:01 (Ref:3772835)

Garcia in the Corvette and Sims are probably coming to blows soon enough...

Damian Baldi · 8 Oct 2017, 01:02 (Ref:3772836)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Articus

Derani had to know that move on a GTLM pro driver into the esses was not ever going to work in his wildest dreams. He'll learn from this I guess...

Totally agree, it was his mistake.

Anyway, sad for him and #22, and #5. Good for my bid #2

Rcz · 8 Oct 2017, 01:02 (Ref:3772837)

So did they go over 1000 miles yet?

gert · 8 Oct 2017, 01:13 (Ref:3772839)

Congrats to ESM, they really deserved it after leading most of the race.

Some things IMSA will have to think about:
* why not have the race leader at the front at the restart? I'm totally with JH and Jeremy Shaw on this. That is stupid, and dangerous and causes more problems.
* what's with the penalties? Montoya/Penske does NOT get a penalty for destroying the Lexus; Derani/ESM gets a drive-though for putting the 67 off; Albuquerque/AXR gets a stop + 60 for 'unacceptable risk' but without hitting anyone. What exactly did they do? And was that really that much worse than damaging another car?

All of these 3 accidents could probably have been avoided by not putting the prototypes in the middle of the pack at restarts.

I enjoyed the race but the last half hour, the accidents and the handling of them leaves a bit of a bad taste, sadly.

Lagunaseca_4life · 8 Oct 2017, 01:14 (Ref:3772840)

Congrats to all the winners......

Good race,10hours on the edge!

Lagunaseca_4life · 8 Oct 2017, 01:16 (Ref:3772841)

Quote:

Originally Posted by gert

Stop and 60 for #5
Additional drive-through for #5 for not coming in soon enough.

I'm sorry race control, you screwed up a fantastic race by those stupid restart orders.
Get that fixed for next season please! Thanks!

Grand am and Tusc did that,would move the prototype leader to the front and gt's to the rear with split restarts.and EVERY ONE COMPLAINED!so they went to the alms way of picking up the next class leader behind the safety car.

Lagunaseca_4life · 8 Oct 2017, 01:19 (Ref:3772842)

Good,almost great race.thanks Imsa for a fun 2017 season.2018 will be MEGA!

RWill2073 · 8 Oct 2017, 01:22 (Ref:3772843)

Quote:

Originally Posted by gert

Congrats to ESM, they really deserved it after leading most of the race.

Some things IMSA will have to think about:
* why not have the race leader at the front at the restart? I'm totally with JH and Jeremy Shaw on this. That is stupid, and dangerous and causes more problems.
* what's with the penalties? Montoya/Penske does NOT get a penalty for destroying the Lexus; Derani/ESM gets a drive-though for putting the 67 off; Albuquerque/AXR gets a stop + 60 for 'unacceptable risk' but without hitting anyone. What exactly did they do? And was that really that much worse than damaging another car?

All of these 3 accidents could probably have been avoided by not putting the prototypes in the middle of the pack at restarts.

I enjoyed the race but the last half hour, the accidents and the handling of them leaves a bit of a bad taste, sadly.

On a restart, the 5 had the 31 coming alongside them at the very inside of the front straight going into turn1. He then turned over that way and ran the 31 into the grass. Heavy traffic all around. If the predictable happened and the 31 spun on the grass, could have collected 4-5 cars.

Maelochs · 8 Oct 2017, 01:22 (Ref:3772844)

Quote:

Originally Posted by gert

Some things IMSA will have to think about:
* why not have the race leader at the front at the restart? I'm totally with JH and Jeremy Shaw on this. That is stupid, and dangerous and causes more problems.
* what's with the penalties? Montoya/Penske does NOT get a penalty for destroying the Lexus; Derani gets a drive-though for putting the 67 off; Albuquerqu gets a stop + for 'unacceptable risk' but without hitting anyone. What exactly did they do? And was that really that much worse than damaging another car?

I think IndyCar only moves the backmarkers with some small number of laps left .... if the leaders won't have time to get through traffic and race, the backmarkers go back.

The penalties .... so hard to call. I agree there seems to be some inconsistencies ... but ...

There is the "Maybe Montoya had a flat and couldn't control his car ..." which is slightly better than "Maybe aliens sent mind-control waves which made him twitch the wheel ..."

There is "We can't let people do dangerous things and not penalize them because they got lucky, and the #5 squeezed a car at full speed in an area where there is no margin of safety ..."

There is "Derani had no need to pass right there---he could have waited until T6--he unnecessarily endangered another driver."

And there are a dozen counter-arguments as well .... and the stewards have to make a call Now ....

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