March 73B - 74B - 75B - 76B - 77B

[Ken Stone]

Regarding Don Briedenbach"s March 75b, I own it not Seiniger. Don's car is 75B/4; Seiniger's is 752-38 or 36. I know this because Tim Fortner and I restored both cars and sold Seiniger his. His car is a bitsa put together in 1976 by Richard Paul's mechanic to run in FB in 1976 and has a F3 tub. Briendenbach has seen 75B/4 and recognised it as his car and I have the log book to prove it. I also own 722-6 which supposedly is Bob Lazier's car by hearsay.

[allenbrown]

Welcome Ken

Can you tell us who drove Don's car in 1976 and later seasons? Also, do you know who drove the bitsa in Formula Atlantic?

Allen

[Bryan Miller]

Re. my ex. Eddie Jordan 74B-12 , after Eddie sold car at end of 1977 the car went to Colin Simpson , and I now have 3 adverts for him selling car at end 1978 and into 21-6-1979, fitted at some stage after he purchased with a 1800cc BDE on injection.
Did he only use the car on the hills or was he involved in some of the circuit events you are all discussing here, before the car was sold to come over to Western Australia.?

Colin Simpson was from at the time of selling the car ,in Dundee Scotland.

Thanks Bryan.

Allen, The Briedenbach car next went to a so. cal. local by the name of Jeff Alkana. He won the regional championship in 77 with it. Next was Alan Holly, then Steve Brimmer, a studio exec. I know Brimmer had the car sitting for a number of years.

[Ken Stone]

I found one more name for 75B/4. Walter Hagstrom had the car in 1988. Ken

[allenbrown]

Chris

We never "announced" the 1975 Canadian results on OldRacingCars.com. Did we have some last checks to do? I notice Depailler's second car should be a "T" rather than a "DNS" and I think we discussed that my "DNQH" didn't work too well for this sort of race. Anyhow - they are here but, to save everyone the trouble of a click:

Trois Rivieres, 31 August 1975
1 Vittorio Brambilla, Doug Shierson Racing #91 March 75B - Ford BDA Cosworth, 60 laps, 1.04.12.5
2 Jean-Pierre Jarier, Fred Opert Racing/Gitanes #2 Chevron B29 - Ford BDA Hart, 60 laps, 1.04.53.7
3 Jean-Pierre Jaussaud, Fred Opert Racing/Gitanes #3 Chevron B29 - Ford BDA Hart, 60 laps,
4 José Dolhem, Fred Opert Racing/Gitanes #7 Chevron B29 - Ford BDA Hart, 59 laps,
5 Hector Rebaque, Fred Opert Racing #5 Chevron B29 [29.75.03] - Ford BDA Hart, 59 laps,
6 Bertil Roos, Ecurie Canada-Schweppes/Castrol #40 March 75B [10] - Ford BDA Hart, 59 laps,
7 Dave Walker, Robert Joubert Racing- Quaker State #30 Lola T350 [HU1] - Ford BDA Nicholson, 59 laps,
8 John Nicholson, Alan McCall Racing #18 Tui BH2 - Ford BDA Nicholson, 58 laps,
9 Seb Barone, Isola Racing #28 Chevron B29 - Ford BDA Hart, 58 laps,
10 Syd Demovsky, B&B Racing #80 Chevron B29 - Ford BDA Hart, 58 laps,
11 Tom Bagley, Kent Oil #52 Chevron B27 - Ford BDA Hart, 58 laps, Out of petrol
12 Peter Ferguson, Ferguson Canada Racing-Samsonite #76 Chevron B29 - Ford BDA Hart, 53 laps,
13 Tom Pumpelly, Cavanaugh Racing-Hoffman #34 March 75B - Ford BDA Cosworth, 52 laps,
14 Price Cobb, Doug Shierson Racing #6 March 75B - Ford BDA Race Shop, 50 laps,
15 Giles Villeneuve, Skiroulle #69 March 75B [8] - Ford BDA Swindon, 46 laps, Accident
16 Frank Delvecchio, Analube #39 March 73B [722-20] - Ford BDA Cosworth, 36 laps,
17 James King, Raggedy Ann Racing #22 March 73B - Ford BDA Traylor, 31 laps, Gearbox
18 Bobby Rahal, Red Roof Inns #23 Lola T360 - Ford BDA McCoy, 26 laps, Gearbox
19 Tom Klausler, Traylor #63 Lola T360 - Ford BDA Whitehurst, 25 laps, Electrics
20 David Westgate, #71 Lola T360 [HU4] - Ford BDA Hart, 24 laps,
21 Howdy Holmes, Bill Scott Racing #24 Lola T360 - Ford BDA BSR, 21 laps, Cam belt
22 Elliot Forbes-Robinson, Bill Scott Racing-Penthouse #44 Lola T360 - Ford BDA BSR, 20 laps, Engine
23 Bruce Jensen, Jensen Exotic Plants #41 Chevron B29 - Ford BDA Hart, 13 laps, Stuck throttle
24 Charles T. Gibson, #58 March 712M - Ford BDA Cosworth, 13 laps,
25 Craig Hill, Ecurie Canada/Gabriel #4 March 75B - Ford BDA Hart, 12 laps,
26 Chip Mead, Lambrusco by Zonin #17 March 75B - Ford BDA Cosworth, 12 laps,
27 Bill Brack, STP #1 Chevron B29 [29.75.16] - Ford BDA Hart, 9 laps, Accident
28 Damien Magee, Alan McCall Racing #19 Tui BH2 - Ford BDA Nicholson, 9 laps, Accident
29 Reg Scullion, Dicom Express #95 March 74B - Ford BDA Hart, 7 laps,
30 Patrick Depailler, Ecurie Canada/Ramada Inns #12 March 75B - Ford BDA Williams, 4 laps, Engine
31 Jacques Desjardins, #87 Lola T360 - Ford BDA Nicholson, 2 laps,
DNQH Hugh Cree, #16 Chevron B29 - Ford BDA Hart, Did not qualify from heats
DNQH Tom Gloy, Hanna Industries #13 Lola T360 - Ford BDA Smith, Did not qualify from heats
DNQH Vince Muzzin, #99 March 75B - Ford BDA Cosworth, Did not qualify from heats
DNQH Pat Walter, Amerodaen Racing #10 Ralt RT1 [6] - Ford BDA, Did not qualify from heats
DNQH John Gloviak, #65 Brabham BT35 [41] - Ford BDA Hart, Did not qualify from heats
DNQH Mauro Lanaro, #35 March 712M - Ford BDA Cosworth, Did not qualify from heats
DNQH Marcel Talbot, Tamaco Industries #9 March 75B - Ford BDA, Did not qualify from heats
DNQH Tim Cooper, Rutledge Oil #8 March 75B - Ford BDA Williams, Did not qualify from heats
DNQH Bruce Kramer, #90 Elden Mk 16 [155/16001/73] - Ford BDA, Did not qualify from heats
DNS Cliff Hansen, Doug Shierson Racing March 75B - Ford BDA Cosworth, Did not start
DNS Patrick Depailler, Ecurie Canada/Ramada Inns #12 March 75B [12] - Ford BDA Cosworth, Did not start

Heat 1

1 Charles T. Gibson, ? laps,
2 Hugh Cree, ? laps,
3 Tom Gloy, ? laps,
4 Vince Muzzin, ? laps,
5 Pat Walter, ? laps,
6 John Gloviak, ? laps,
7 Mauro Lanaro, ? laps,
8 Marcel Talbot, ? laps,
9 Tim Cooper, ? laps,
10 Bruce Kramer, ? laps,

Qualifying

1 Patrick Depailler, 1.05.3
1 Patrick Depailler * , 1.05.3
2 Jean-Pierre Jarier, 1.05.4
3 Giles Villeneuve, 1.05.9
4 Tom Klausler, 1.06.0
5 José Dolhem, 1.06.1
6 Bobby Rahal, 1.06.3
7 Howdy Holmes, 1.06.4
8 Tom Bagley, 1.06.5
9 Vittorio Brambilla, 1.06.6
10 Bill Brack, 1.06.7
11 Bruce Jensen, 1.06.9
12 Chip Mead, 1.06.9
13 Jean-Pierre Jaussaud, 1.06.9
14 Damien Magee, 1.06.9
15 Elliot Forbes-Robinson, 1.07.0
16 Price Cobb, 1.07.0
17 Dave Walker, 1.07.1
18 Cliff Hansen * , 1.07.2
19 Bertil Roos, 1.07.2
20 Hector Rebaque, 1.07.3
21 Tom Pumpelly, 1.07.7
22 Syd Demovsky, 1.07.7
23 James King, 1.07.9
24 Craig Hill, 1.08.1
25 Seb Barone, 1.08.1
26 John Nicholson, 1.08.3
29 Peter Ferguson, 1.08.6
30 Reg Scullion, 1.08.7
31 Frank Delvecchio, 1.08.9
32 Jacques Desjardins, 1.08.9
33 David Westgate, 1.09.3

* Did not start

[Bryan Miller]

Allen and Chris.

What is your source for Villenueves 75B-8 ?

I had advised that Howard Blight [ owner ] and myself had some info. that advised Howards car was Gilles , earlier somewhere in this thread, however not conclusive.

Preferrably you can advise another source.??

Bryan.

[David McKinney]

Originally posted by Bryan Miller
Allen and Chris.

What is your source for Villenueves 75B-8 ?

I had advised that Howard Blight [ owner ] and myself had some info. that advised Howards car was Gilles , earlier somewhere in this thread, however not conclusive.

Preferrably you can advise another source.??

Bryan.

I'm not sure if this point has been made before, and I'm too lazy to check all the threads, but wasn't 75B-8 a Shierson car, which later fetched up in NZ with Dave Saudners?

[Bryan Miller]

David, yes I advised a long time ago in this thread that it is Saunder's car, and it is 75B-8 which we have been advised was Gilles Atlantic car from Canada.
I was rather hoping some other source had come to Allen or Chris to be able to be sure of the original story .

Bryan.

[Bryan Miller]

Driftwood ,

The start of your poss. March 742U-1 or whatever is I believe on page 2 of this thread , wher David McKinney advises re. 75B March.in New Zealand.
Happy reading, Chris Townsend feels this is an ex. Val Musetti car from the U.K.

Bryan.

[allenbrown]

OK< this will get this thread restarted. At Goodwood on Friday, I was given a mass of photocopied Formula Atlantic programme entry lists by Adam Ferrington. On some of them, he noted chassis numbers and confirmed to me that those would have been his observations of chassis plates at the time.

So here goes:

Oulton Park 30 Sep 1972
(Cyd) Williams - March 722 [39]
Salisbury - Brabham BT35 [43]
Gubelmann - March 722 [24]
(Michael) Mather - March 721M [12]
Meek - Brabham BT38 [28]
Allen - Royale RP12 [1]
Calvert - March 722 [29]

More to follow

Allen

[allenbrown]

Oulton Park 7 Jul 1973
Bailey - March 722 [39]
Gilbert - Brabham BT35 [43]
Purley - March 722 [10]
Bohm - Lotus 69 [71/69-11 F3]
Choularton - March 73B [1]

[allenbrown]

Oulton Park 22 Sep 1973
Baker - Brabham BT40 [33]

[allenbrown]

Oulton Park 27 Apr 1974
Spitzley - March 733 [7]
Musetti - Royale RP11 [02]
Thomson - GRD 273 [051]

[allenbrown]

Oulton Park 5 May 1974
Nicholson - Lyncar [025] - presumably 005 misread
Williams - Brabham BT40 [21]
Spiller/Bond - March 73B [74BU-1]
(Schuppan/)Clarkson - March 722 [40]
Wentz - March 74B [1]
Thomson - GRD 273 [051] - at least I think it says 051
Jones - March 712M [9]
Brown - March 74B [9]

Results: Crawford - Williams - Walkinshaw - Brise - ?? - Nicholson.
45m 26.4s 109.37 mph
FL Wentz 111.68 mph
(are those the sort of results you were after?)

I have two copies of this page and one appears to have qualifying positions as well.

[allenbrown]

Oulton Park 26 May 1975
(I.e. http://www.oldracingcars.com/F5000/r...sp?RaceID=B75G)
Crawford - Chevron B29 [15]
Brise - Modus M1 [009]
Mallock - March 75B [U-1]
Choularton - Chevron B29 [19]
Wentz - Lola T360 [7]
Spitzley - Chevron B29 [25]
May - Lola T360B [5]
Sharp - Lyncar [005]
Lawler - Chevron B29 [6]
Perry - March 742 [23]
Riley - Chevron B29 [4]

[allenbrown]

Silverstone 19 Jul 1975
(i.e. http://www.oldracingcars.com/F5000/r...sp?RaceID=B75J)
McGarrity - Chevron [7]
Gugax - Modus [20-F3]
Pollock - Chevron [12]
Donnelly - March [73B-8]

[Dan Rear]

Chris, thanks, I was confusing Clarkson completely. Apparently his 74 March F At was a 722, entered by Hurford Jones, the MultiGlide car was Richard Knight amongst others, I presume the Magnys Cours Racing school chap. is this the car Kim M had from about 75 to mid 77 then ? I see that Jones was also entered in 74 in a Harry Stiller 74B, is this a real 74B ?

[Chris Townsend]

Dan

Brain fade in confusing Clarkson with John Calvert [it was he who owned 722-29 [from new] and 732-1. But Clarkson still no connection to the Mike Sullivan car's history.

Jones in a 74B in 1974 could be correct since he took over the Harry Stiller racing car later in the season.

[allenbrown]

And the full list of runners are riders:

Brabham BT21 - Rocky Moran, Pierre Phillips
Brabham BT21C - Charlie Adams, Gary Gove, Bill Middleton
Brabham BT29 - John Angus, Doug Brenner, Dan Davis, Chuck Dietrich, Dick Doherty, Mike Eyerly, Barry Fox, Philip Geraldi, Randy Hancock, Ron Householder, Norman Johnson, Rudolfo Junco, Thomas Kornell, Allan Lader, Steve Louden, Peter Nye, Raul Perez Gama, Mike Rand, Tom Reddy, Carlos Solio, Bob Wenz, Larry Wright, Jiro Yoneyama
Brabham BT35 - Nick Craw, James Gutfreund, Mike Hall, Steve Harris, Allan Lader, Maurice McCaig, Raul Perez Gama, Russ Tyndall
Brand X Huffaker - Jon Woodner
Chevron - Warren Flickinger
Chevron B14 - Thomas Jones
Chevron B15 - Jim Grob
Chevron B15/B17 - Peter Darr
Chevron B17B - Tom Outcault
Chevron B18 - Freddy Van Buren, Carl Liebich
Cicada - Gus Hutchison
Cicada Mk I -Dan Murphy
Excar - Jon Woodner
LeGrand Mk 12 - Jim King
LeGrand Mk 14 - Gene Forsthofel
Lola T240 - Syd Demovsky, Mike Hiss, Howard Johnson, Rocky Moran, Chuck Sarich, Jim Sarich, Skip Walther, Charles Wanamaker
Lola T240D - Skip Walther
Lonizer - Gene Forsthofel
Lotus 69 - WP Fred Stevenson
Lotus 69B - Jacques Couture, Robert Hebert, Dave McConnell, William Monson
March 705 - Mike Hayman
March 712M - Bill Gubelmann
March 71BM - Ron Dykes, Joe Grimaldi, Bill Gubelmann, Dale Lang, Bob Lazier, Max Mizejewski
Palliser - Jerardo Martinez
Tecno - Skeeter McKitterick, Gus Hutchison
Tui - Bert Hawthorne

Most of the BT35s arrived very late in the season. The quantity of Lola T240s was a surprise to me.

Allen

PS Four posts in a row - time to do something else!

[Ted Walker]

A friend of mine has just "liberated" from a 20 year hibernation a couple of March 732s. The first car has stamped on the tub 732-57. A lot of the parts have 732-55 including the fuel cells,its complete minus engine and box. The second car is thought to be a 73A all we can find on it is AM73-48. The tub behind the seat has been cut away to give increased space in the engine bay. ANY CLUES ??

[allenbrown]

Ted

A 73A? You mean a F5000 car? Or did you mean a 73B Formula Atlantic?

Allen

[Adam Ferrington]

Allen,

There are no 75Bs in my 1975 March records, but given what I've seen, yes, 75Bs could well have had the "AM" tub numbers.
Do you know a current 75B owner who could confirm this?

ADAM

[Bryan Miller]

David,

Correct , Ken Smiths car was 732-9/15 which came to Australia and was campaigned by Ken Shirvinton and he retains to this day.

Richard Carter's car is 73B-8 ex Colin Vandervell Yellow Pages car which went to Des Donnelly and then came to Australia in the same boat as my 74B-12 .

Richard sold the car about 2 years ago and the car is being used very well by Andrew Makin from Melbourne.

Re the 75A , if it does have Australian recent history I may be able to assist.

Bryan.

[Bryan Miller]

Dan,

In answer to your comment about this thread being well off course , yes it has been since page 1 , when as a newcomer and not being aware of the correct ettiquette , I posted March 74B stuff on the poor old Chevron thread , apologies to all.

However as it is off course lets keep it there.

About 6 weeks ago I rec'd from the guys at March Ives in the U.S.A. a copy of the Factory March drawing register and some drawings I needed for the rear wing etc.for 742 and 74B series cars.

To my surprise the 742 cars have bag tank number drawings as part no. 732-15-01 L.H. and 732-15-02 R.H. specified for BMW and Hart engines.
The 74B cars part numbers are 73B-15-01 L.H. and 73B-15-02 R.H for the BDA and Twin Cam cars.

I went and checked my tanks straight away and mine are stencilled as per the 742 cars , and dated Jan. 1973 , however no tub number stencilled on them.

The 12 month earlier than car build date of the tanks is probably easily explained by March purchasing in bulk.
But why does my car have 742 tanks in a 74B , as I presume , but ready to be corrected , that the capacity required for the F2 cars would have been larger than F/A cars.

75B-8 is in Australia , but was re-tubbed in 1977/8 so am no use in ascertaining if it had an AM number.

My car doesn't have any indication of an AM number , where was this stamped.?? In the usual place as part of the Tub number under the LHS roll over bar pick-up ?? or was it on the engine frame somewhere?? or was this only on later cars??

I think I am trying to say that ANYTHING could happen at March and we will have a hell of a job even sorting some bits out, for instance my car may even be a re-constituted F2 wreck from 73 , built up and sold as a new 74B , we haven't a hope of finding out, without having a list [ if it exists ] of chassis number with corresponding tub numbers.

Bryan.