LMP2 Manufacturers and Engine Suppliers - Page 9

FstrthnU · 18 Jun 2014, 19:20 (Ref:3423541)

http://sportscar365.com/industry/ade...lmp3-concepts/
ADESS still working on the 02 coupe

Mike E · 20 Jun 2014, 20:05 (Ref:3424352)

Not a massive surprise, I suppose.

http://www.planetlemans.com/2014/06/...ns+Newsfeed%29

Pontlieue · 28 Jul 2014, 14:55 (Ref:3439333)

http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/wol...-est-en-cours/

Wolf are still working on their LMP2. Given their success in CN, I'm looking forward to seeing them in LMP2.

However, I think that there are quite a lot, maybe too many chassis manufacturers for such a small market like LMP2. Even if we assume some growth in WEC, TUSC and AsLMS, there won't be more than 40 LMP2 cars running next year. And there are plenty of chassis manufacturers, with the big ones like Oreca, Ligier/Onroak and HPD, and others like Dome/Strakka, SMP and Wolf. And Zytek and Riley are already planning for 2016/17.

**bella** · 28 Jul 2014, 15:16 (Ref:3439337)

does it raise the question of whether initially at least for the first year or two, lmp3 is going to take business from lmp2? teams can set up "junior" wings to look after the cars, so i suppose it'd be feasible for operations like murphy just to scale up and scale down as necessary.

(i know that's a bit of a leap, but i was just thinking about the lmp2 market and it being a bit steep for the kind of money that's around, and all these chassis and ended up at lmp3 for some reason)

Deleted · 28 Jul 2014, 15:50 (Ref:3439357)

While spec, European LMPC showed that just because it's cheaper doesn't mean it's gonna be a hit automatically. Especially when your car is illegal for Le Mans

**joeb** · 28 Jul 2014, 17:33 (Ref:3439397)

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Originally Posted by Pontlieue

http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/wol...-est-en-cours/

Wolf are still working on their LMP2. Given their success in CN, I'm looking forward to seeing them in LMP2.

However, I think that there are quite a lot, maybe too many chassis manufacturers for such a small market like LMP2. Even if we assume some growth in WEC, TUSC and AsLMS, there won't be more than 40 LMP2 cars running next year. And there are plenty of chassis manufacturers, with the big ones like Oreca, Ligier/Onroak and HPD, and others like Dome/Strakka, SMP and Wolf. And Zytek and Riley are already planning for 2016/17.

Are Wolf planning a coupe? I found it interesting they said they will keep their design a secret until it is on track. They didn't mention when that car will make its track debut however, or who will be running it.

TR. · 28 Jul 2014, 17:37 (Ref:3439398)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Are Wolf planning a coupe? I found it interesting they said they will keep their design a secret until it is on track. They didn't mention when that car will make its track debut however, or who will be running it.

Would be surprised if Avelon Formula don't run their first car

**joeb** · 29 Jul 2014, 17:35 (Ref:3439787)

I was watching the TUSC race over the weekend and it got me thinking about how I actually refer to, or think about, the P2 cars. For example, the Extreme Speed HPD was on pole, and if some body asked me who was on pole I might say the Honda - since the car is an HPD chassis with a Honda engine.

But if somebody asked me who won at Mosport, I would say Oak. I wouldn't say Nissan. I know the car has a Nissan engine, but that isn't the part that jumps into my mind when referring to the car.

Does anybody else think about the P2 cars in the same way? What about the DP based machines. They all have separate engine and chassis manufacturers, how do you think about them? As Fords and Chevys, or Rileys, Coyotes, and Dallaras?

Deleted · 29 Jul 2014, 17:57 (Ref:3439798)

Morgan/Pescarolo Judd - Oak
Ligier Nissan/HPD - Oak
Oreca Nissan/Judd/whatever - Oreca
Alpine Nissan - Oreca
Zytek Nissan - Zytek
HPD - HPD
Lotus - Kodewa
Lola/Mazda Mazda - whichever comes to mind first
etc

DP just by team's name but the bodywork does come to mind before generic chassis (who remembers what was where...)

MyNameIsNigel · 4 Aug 2014, 14:35 (Ref:3441391)

Up to six HPD ARX-04b cars expected to be sold to teams competing in either TUSC and WEC series for 2015 according to HPD's Steve Eriksen.

Impressive prospects for a car that has not yet turned a wheel.

Rodger Davies · 4 Aug 2014, 19:08 (Ref:3441436)

It seems they just make up a 'number sold so far' in each interview though. I seem to remember a week after it was announced reading that they only had one or two left to sell. Hope I'm wrong, but it wouldn't surprise me if only ESM have committed thus far.

TF110 · 4 Aug 2014, 21:10 (Ref:3441459)

Isnt there 4 confirmed to run in tusc? Thatd mean one or two in either wec/elms. That doesnt seem out of reach.

Graham Goodwin · 6 Aug 2014, 22:25 (Ref:3442046)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Isnt there 4 confirmed to run in tusc? Thatd mean one or two in either wec/elms. That doesnt seem out of reach.

Don't confuse chassis sales with cars that will run - remember many teams buy spare chassis

TF110 · 6 Aug 2014, 23:40 (Ref:3442070)

No way, Im thinking 'best case' scenario with said 6 cars and more supposedly being wanted. I thought two two-car teams were confirmed to be running the hpd next year in tusc? I hope so.

**joeb** · 7 Aug 2014, 01:38 (Ref:3442092)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TF110

Isnt there 4 confirmed to run in tusc? Thatd mean one or two in either wec/elms. That doesnt seem out of reach.

There are 2 confirmed for TUSC, with Andretti and others reportedly considering, although nothing has been formally announced in public.

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Originally Posted by Graham Goodwin

Don't confuse chassis sales with cars that will run - remember many teams buy spare chassis

With the cost of spares these days it seems that buying an entire 2nd chassis might actually be a pretty cost effective move. Not to mention the bonus of a spare tub in case of severe damage.

seanyb505 · 7 Aug 2014, 12:24 (Ref:3442197)

Graham, what is standard industry practice for buying spare chassis? A spare for each car you run or just have one spare for the entire team?

Graham Goodwin · 7 Aug 2014, 14:02 (Ref:3442223)

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Originally Posted by seanyb505

Graham, what is standard industry practice for buying spare chassis? A spare for each car you run or just have one spare for the entire team?

It varies. A few examples - Jota have a spare chassis that has usually been stored as a spare tub, Greaves have (or had) a third car that was mostly built up.

Many teams don't have a spare at all (very expensive!)

You are correct though, having a second built up car for a multi year programme is certainly cheaper than the individual spares!

Deleted · 6 Sep 2014, 10:14 (Ref:3450721)

GG mentioned on Suzuka 1000 broadcast that there is likely gonna be third tire manufacturer in LMP2 next year. Which should help to improve the look of this

Don't think anyone would bother with Conti-Hoosiers in Europe so hopefully a return of bigger brand

Graham Goodwin · 6 Sep 2014, 10:49 (Ref:3450725)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiana

GG mentioned on Suzuka 1000 broadcast that there is likely gonna be third tire manufacturer in LMP2 next year. Which should help to improve the look of this

Don't think anyone would bother with Conti-Hoosiers in Europe so hopefully a return of bigger brand

It's Yokohama

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2014/0...valuation.html

Deleted · 6 Sep 2014, 11:46 (Ref:3450734)

Great, they were the one I was looking for.

MagVanisher · 6 Sep 2014, 13:57 (Ref:3450762)

Good thing Yokohama is bring their a-game in LMP2! So I guess it's 3 tire manufacturers now supporting LMP2 (4 if Continental is counted)?

TRspitfirefan · 6 Sep 2014, 14:02 (Ref:3450765)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graham Goodwin

It's Yokohama

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2014/0...valuation.html

Really cool to see another tire option for P2 teams!

It's a shame that P2 teams competing in the U.S. are no longer allowed tire freedom.

TRspitfirefan · 6 Sep 2014, 14:09 (Ref:3450768)

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Originally Posted by MagVanisher

Good thing Yokohama is bring their a-game in LMP2! So I guess it's 3 tire manufacturers now supporting LMP2 (4 if Continental is counted)?

I have a lot of respect for Yokohama. They are not afraid to race in some pretty tough classes.
Quite a contrast to the Continental brand.

Christian Mogami · 6 Sep 2014, 15:24 (Ref:3450779)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graham Goodwin

It varies. A few examples - Jota have a spare chassis that has usually been stored as a spare tub, Greaves have (or had) a third car that was mostly built up.

Many teams don't have a spare at all (very expensive!)

You are correct though, having a second built up car for a multi year programme is certainly cheaper than the individual spares!

Could be wrong but heard ESM bought three chassis.

Deleted · 6 Sep 2014, 16:12 (Ref:3450786)

So even if it's just three manufacturers now (+ Continental if you want to count it), I don't think there is any other category - except GT500 & GT300 with their multiple makes obviously - with more tire competition right now? At least LMP1 and LMGTE (though only pro) still have the option to run alternative makes at least, but most of the others seemed to have gone the spec route...

ALMS used to have quite bit of variety as well but now in the non-spec classes only one lone Falken in the Michelin land

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