Rumours Kimi to Renault? - Page 3

strider · 14 Sep 2010, 21:21 (Ref:2759496)

The point is that after Massa crashed Ferrari finally listened to what Kimi wanted from the car and he was than able to show what he could do, even though they stopped development.

Chatters · 15 Sep 2010, 01:45 (Ref:2759549)

I think half the problem in 2009 was that Ferrari didn't know whether to follow what Kimi wanted with the car or what Massa wanted with the car. Once Felipe had has accident, as strider said the team were able to tweak the car to Kimi's liking. I think if Felipe hasn't had his accident in we'd be talking about Force India's first victory at Spa 2009, not Kimi's last.

Jamesy-18 · 15 Sep 2010, 07:16 (Ref:2759593)

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Originally Posted by davyboy

For Kimi F1 is the past and WRC is the future. I hope he stays where he is and develops into a Rallying Great.

I agree. He's got to stick at WRC to get any better at it, otherwise if he just goes back to F1 now it'll have been a complete waste of one year of his life. But if it makes him happy...

**Born Racer** · 15 Sep 2010, 08:23 (Ref:2759623)

I think this is some sort of red herring. Renault are dropping this to the press for another reason.

Wims · 15 Sep 2010, 08:26 (Ref:2759625)

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Originally Posted by Jamesy-18

I agree. He's got to stick at WRC to get any better at it, otherwise if he just goes back to F1 now it'll have been a complete waste of one year of his life. But if it makes him happy...

How would participating in one season of the WRC be a complete waste of one year? If you participated in the WRC one year, would you consider it a waste?

Super Hans · 15 Sep 2010, 08:39 (Ref:2759631)

I wish I could waste a year of my life competing for Citroen in the WRC.

**bella** · 15 Sep 2010, 09:24 (Ref:2759649)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

I think this is some sort of red herring. Renault are dropping this to the press for another reason.

i think the very key thing in the autosport report is that boullier says his priority is still petrov. that's a pretty clear sign to both driver and team - you're more important than kimi raikkonen. perhaps they're trying to point out they're not JUST looking at pay drivers for the second seat. and if i was petrov i'd frame it and put it on the wall

i honestly think boullier is the best man manager in formula one today. if anyone can prove otherwise i'm listening!

Super Hans · 15 Sep 2010, 09:31 (Ref:2759660)

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Originally Posted by bella

i honestly think boullier is the best man manager in formula one today. if anyone can prove otherwise i'm listening!

I don't know much about him but the speed with which he has restored Renault's image is very impressive.

davyboy · 15 Sep 2010, 09:45 (Ref:2759666)

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Originally Posted by bella

i honestly think boullier is the best man manager in formula one today. if anyone can prove otherwise i'm listening!

I agree. Somewhat out of the spotlight, Renault has quietly gone about turning in some amazing results this year. A formidable achievement on the part of Boullier given the mess they were in before the start of this season. As other have said, I think Boullier's playing a clever political game here to pump up Petrov and his backers. I'm sure we'll see no change in drivers at Renault for 2011 and if they can crank it up a few notches, regular visits to the top step of the podium... and even a title challenge... aren't unrealistic.

**bella** · 15 Sep 2010, 10:19 (Ref:2759681)

where he's done well with petrov as well is that he has criticised him in the past but it's been at exactly the right time, and results have been forthcoming. usually when team managers call out drivers like that it's about 10 seconds before their contract is ripped into tiny shreds and they call in security to escort them off the premesis. very smart stuff.

ECW Dan Selby · 15 Sep 2010, 10:46 (Ref:2759698)

I think the takeover of Renault is one of the best things that could have happened to the team. It's completely taken them out of the spotlight as I think the vast majority had written them off. They've had minimal pressure in comparison to the front-runners' expectations. Their development has been second to none, and they've become a very likeable team that seems to go the extra mile for the fans, too. Boullier's done a fantastic job, and i'm sure many here would agree that Kimi to Renault alongside Kubica would be the ultimate racing team

Selby

Super Hans · 15 Sep 2010, 10:49 (Ref:2759703)

Raikkonen & Kubica would be a great pairing as both are completely BS-free.

ECW Dan Selby · 15 Sep 2010, 10:55 (Ref:2759707)

It'd be nice to have no rubbish excuses/PR talk

Selby

Super Hans · 15 Sep 2010, 10:57 (Ref:2759709)

RK & KR

A wonderful symmetry. Please make it happen Mr Bouiller (sorry Vitaly).

Splatz the Cow · 15 Sep 2010, 11:09 (Ref:2759716)

I don't care much either way whether Kimi comes back or not, but if he does and gets a podium finish, I want someone else to sit in at the post-race press conference. Someone that can make a sentence, with words, and then speak them, without mumbling.

strider · 15 Sep 2010, 11:10 (Ref:2759717)

I'll second Super Hans' post.

Despite what some may think the post-race conference is not as important as the race.

**GTRMagic** · 15 Sep 2010, 12:43 (Ref:2759772)

Is someone showing up with a bag (several bags?)

of Euros/Roubles/Pounds/Yen etc to pay for Mr Raikkonen and Mr Kubica. And run the team.

The story just a little while ago about this team looking for an advance on their 2010 travel monies to pay for 2011's new developments isnt a strong sign of corporate sponsorship in that camp...

And anyway, isnt Webber going to Renault?

davyboy · 15 Sep 2010, 12:51 (Ref:2759779)

Some opinion on the matter from autosport.com here.

**bella** · 15 Sep 2010, 13:20 (Ref:2759795)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

The story just a little while ago about this team looking for an advance on their 2010 travel monies to pay for 2011's new developments isnt a strong sign of corporate sponsorship in that camp...

but if you notice, the promised sponsorship did indeed materialise at the start of september as boullier said it would...

Jamesy-18 · 15 Sep 2010, 14:33 (Ref:2759824)

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Originally Posted by Wims

How would participating in one season of the WRC be a complete waste of one year? If you participated in the WRC one year, would you consider it a waste?

Because he's not achieved anything fullfilling. All he's done is crash most times and find new ways of damaging his car. Understandably he's on a learning curve this year, because as I said earlier, WRC and F1 are two complete different types of racing. You can't just jump into a WRC car from coming out of F1 and expect to be winning.

As Loeb - the most successful rally driver of all time - has said, if he wants to get anywhere, he needs to stay in WRC next year. He's been learning and that knowledge will be valuable for him next year in rallying. Plus, with the new regs coming in to WRC from next year, it means everyone has to learn again. From the experience he's just got from the rallies, he could do quite well. If he just throws it all away, as I say, what has he really achieved this year apart from a lot of DNFs and solid-if-unspectacular results to his name? Plus, he's had no experience of driving an F1 car with full tanks, and will probably be on the back foot compared to everybody else because of that.

Add into the mix Robert Kubica, a man who shows no signs of slowing down. If anything, quite the opposite. You could argue RK is a better driver than Massa now. That's the same Massa who, previous to his accident, had outclassed Raikkonen more times than Raikkonen had outclassed him.

I'm sure Kimi had plenty of opportunities to stay in F1 this year if he'd chosen them, but I believe even he admitted to saying that he didn't enjoy Formula One as much as he did to start with. He chose to throw that away and go rallying and try a new form of racing-fair dos.

We can't keep bringing back the same guys over and over. One day, there isn't going to be Alonso or Schumacher, etc, in the sport, the sport is in desperate need of new blood. With the ridiculous regulations allowing young drivers next to no time in the cars, how is F1 going to get that new blood in?

The likes of Petrov, Hulkenberg, Kobayashi, etc, ARE the new blood. Sure, they might not be great now, but they are learning. Who's to say they WON'T be as good as Kimi was in a few years. None of us know that.

strider · 15 Sep 2010, 21:37 (Ref:2760086)

It's all academic anyway, because I doubt if either Renault or Kimi are going to make a decision any time soon, particularly if Renault do want to see what Petrov can do. He has to recover from a pretty poor last two races.

rocketracer · 15 Sep 2010, 22:22 (Ref:2760105)

i like petrov in the same way as i like sutil - they will show speed in their early years, but wont blossom into top shelf drivers for a few years. That's probably the same as most drivers... but anyway, i dont think petrov will be out of f1 altogether, just perhaps not driving the bumblebee (which might not be the worst thing for him anyway - to be compared against one of the leading drivers in f1 at his peak)...

on raikkonen, for whatever reason, he never gelled particularly well with ferrari, and his results were pretty ho-hum. But having said that, i dont think the blame can be squared at kimi somehow being an inadequate driver. It's just one of those racing synergies that didnt work....

in my mind he can do some pretty special things in an f1 car, and seeing him back at renault alongside robert would be a very strong lineup. Renault's (seemingly) non-intrusive management style i think could work well. But whether it happens or not we wait and see...

FPV8U · 16 Sep 2010, 03:13 (Ref:2760159)

As a Raikkonen fan it's fairly pointless for me to say what i feel went wrong @ Ferrari as even i'll admit it's bias, although it makes me smile when non raikkonen fans say that his time at Ferrari was a waste as not to many people who walk away with a Championship & Several wins would consider it a failure, it shows how high the expectations were and are for him being such a high calibre driver, whether you like it or not.

I hope he does get the seat @ Renault, where we could potentially see the Kimi from his early Mclaren years return, with Renault wanting wins they need a proven performer when it comes to the money end of the race, something that Petrov isn't near and Kubica has managed once in a race where one contender chose not to stop at some lights taking out the other lead contender.

Jamesy-18 · 16 Sep 2010, 08:48 (Ref:2760229)

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Originally Posted by FPV8U

As a Raikkonen fan it's fairly pointless for me to say what i feel went wrong @ Ferrari as even i'll admit it's bias, although it makes me smile when non raikkonen fans say that his time at Ferrari was a waste as not to many people who walk away with a Championship & Several wins would consider it a failure, it shows how high the expectations were and are for him being such a high calibre driver, whether you like it or not.

You know, I was personally under the allusion that as they were paying Kimi quite a bit more than what they paid Schumi, that he'd do as well as Schumi, if not better. Obviously not.

strider · 16 Sep 2010, 23:49 (Ref:2760650)

Is an allusion in this context a cross between an illusion and a delusion?

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