Kiesa ?

marcus · 24 Aug 2003, 03:56 (Ref:697038)

Dunno if this has been covered anywhere as yet , but after qualifying it seems that Kiesa in the Minardi is well off the pace , does anyone know if he has been given permission by the organizers to start the race or will they stay firm on the 107% rule ???

I guess he was having heaps of probs with the handling of the car but seemed to have been on the pace in practise sessions so this may work in his favour.

so does anyone know anything as of yet ?

Mr V · 24 Aug 2003, 04:04 (Ref:697043)

marcus, the 107% rule doesn't apply anymore due to the stratergy's the teams have to pick for the race before qualifying.

marcus · 24 Aug 2003, 06:06 (Ref:697074)

oh , I should probably pay attention more then

Cheers Big V

jetsetter · 24 Aug 2003, 08:08 (Ref:697106)

Yeah there's no 107% rule now in F1 but i have to say that Kiesa's lack of speed must be a major worry.

steve nielsen · 24 Aug 2003, 13:59 (Ref:697261)

He was actualy lapped by Jos today so he must be worried about his career........

NiceGuyEddie · 24 Aug 2003, 14:21 (Ref:697297)

Nah, not really. I remember a certain F1 race at the Nurburgring this year in which Jos almost lost a minute to his teammate.

steve nielsen · 24 Aug 2003, 14:24 (Ref:697304)

Hello Eddie: Kiesa was LAPPED by Jos.

429CJ · 24 Aug 2003, 14:28 (Ref:697308)

Kiesa was really slow! The so-called 'Slow'gartner was much better with the minimum experience of F1 car.

corkholio · 24 Aug 2003, 14:30 (Ref:697310)

Kiesa needs to go back to F3000 to keep the car count reasonable there.

MichaelH · 24 Aug 2003, 14:46 (Ref:697341)

Kiesa was impressive at Hockenheim, woeful at the Hungaroring. Still, he showed far more promise at Hockenheim than Yoong did in his whole career....so don't write him off quite yet.

NiceGuyEddie · 24 Aug 2003, 14:59 (Ref:697369)

Quote:

Originally posted by steve nielsen
Hello Eddie: Kiesa was LAPPED by Jos.

And? Jos was almost a minute on Wilson.

If you think Kiesa shouldn't be in F1 because he got lapped (in the final lap of the race) by his teammate, I can't understand how you can argue at the same time that Jos, who finished almost a minute behind his much less experienced teammate at the Nurburgring, is actually one of the best drivers out there.

I for one believe that Kiesa is terribly slow, but I don't think Jos is all that great either.

Logrence · 24 Aug 2003, 15:06 (Ref:697379)

Quote:

Originally posted by steve nielsen
He was actualy lapped by Jos today so he must be worried about his career........

He won't be worried so long as the dosh keeps on flowing.

Ricardo Rosset/Taki Inoue anyone?

steve nielsen · 24 Aug 2003, 15:10 (Ref:697388)

Quote:

Originally posted by NiceGuyEddie
And? Jos was almost a minute on Wilson.

If you think Kiesa shouldn't be in F1 because he got lapped (in the final lap of the race) by his teammate, I can't understand how you can argue at the same time that Jos, who finished almost a minute behind his much less experienced teammate at the Nurburgring, is actually one of the best drivers out there.

I for one believe that Kiesa is terribly slow, but I don't think Jos is all that great either.

Jos had problems with the dif that race, so getting the car to the finish was the only thing to do there, when Jos did'nt have any problems with the car he always was ahead of Justin.

NiceGuyEddie · 24 Aug 2003, 15:13 (Ref:697393)

Quote:

Originally posted by steve nielsen
Jos had problems with the dif that race, so getting the car to the finish was the only thing to do there, when Jos did'nt have any problems with the car he always was ahead of Justin.

So...maybe, just maybe...Kiesa had problems as well?

Logrence · 24 Aug 2003, 15:16 (Ref:697395)

If Jos Verstappen is so good, why is he driving a Minardi?

Why did he leave Benetton?

Why hasn't he just climbed out of a Jaguar Formula One car?

These 'diff problems' are a killer, aren't they.

MichaelH · 24 Aug 2003, 15:17 (Ref:697397)

Quote:

Originally posted by Logrence
He won't be worried so long as the dosh keeps on flowing.

Ricardo Rosset/Taki Inoue anyone?

Rosset wasn't that bad. He drove really well in Canada 1998, for example; he outqualified Takagi and finished 8th in sight of 6th. He also did okay at Arrows in 1996, I think his failiure was more to do with mentally not being able to deal with the F1 lifestyle than lack of talent. In F3000 he was really good.

steve nielsen · 24 Aug 2003, 15:21 (Ref:697406)

Quote:

Originally posted by NiceGuyEddie
So...maybe, just maybe...Kiesa had problems as well?

No, and he was already 2.5 seconds slower than Jos in qualifying.

steve nielsen · 24 Aug 2003, 15:28 (Ref:697419)

Quote:

Originally posted by MichaelH
Rosset wasn't that bad. He drove really well in Canada 1998, for example; he outqualified Takagi and finished 8th in sight of 6th. He also did okay at Arrows in 1996, I think his failiure was more to do with mentally not being able to deal with the F1 lifestyle than lack of talent. In F3000 he was really good.

he did'nt do OK at all, in 96 he was outqualified by Jos 16-0 and in 98 he failed to qualify 5 times..........

Francesca · 24 Aug 2003, 15:28 (Ref:697420)

jeez, give the guy a chance!

MichaelH · 24 Aug 2003, 15:40 (Ref:697443)

Quote:

Originally posted by steve nielsen
he did'nt do OK at all, in 96 he was outqualified by Jos 16-0 and in 98 he failed to qualify 5 times..........

Yeah, but he wasn't embarassingly bad either and generally raced well...I seem to remember him pulling a couple of nice moves on Minardis early in the season...Barrichello only beat Schumacher in qualifying once in 2001, Patrese only once or twice in 1992 against Mansell....I'm not saying either Verstappen or Rosset are as good as that obviously, but that doesn't make him a bad driver.

In 1998 he was only wanted because or sponsorship, he prompted Kens departure and was frozen out by the team...I'd love to see any driver impress in those circumstances.

NiceGuyEddie · 24 Aug 2003, 16:16 (Ref:697480)

Quote:

Originally posted by steve nielsen
No, and he was already 2.5 seconds slower than Jos in qualifying.

uhm...yeah.... he had problems in qualifying as well. But perhaps you can show me a quote from Kiesa in which he states his car was perfect all weekend.

You really are that naive aren't you?

steve nielsen · 24 Aug 2003, 16:47 (Ref:697506)

it did'nt have any technical problems, just setup problems, but that's Kiesa's own doing.

steve nielsen · 24 Aug 2003, 16:49 (Ref:697507)

NICOLAS KIESA
Best lap 1 min 27.641 secs
Position: 13
Chassis: PS03/01

“I made a mistake at the start, when I engaged first gear but forgot to activate the launch control. That delayed me when the race got under way, but it was okay once I got going. The chassis set-up we chose meant we had to sacrifice our qualifying performance yesterday, but it definitely helped us in the race. I had a better car for the race this afternoon than I had in Hockenheim and I managed to let the faster cars through without reducing my own performance as much. I was able to put the knowledge from Germany to good use and am pleased to have taken the chequered flag for the second Grand Prix in a row. It’s a good way to start my Formula One career.”

Don K · 24 Aug 2003, 16:50 (Ref:697508)

Quote:

Originally posted by NiceGuyEddie
Nah, not really. I remember a certain F1 race at the Nurburgring this year in which Jos almost lost a minute to his teammate.

Was that the race in which Jos had a "pit stop" which took more than a minute?

Logrence · 24 Aug 2003, 17:07 (Ref:697523)

You haven't answered my question yet, Steve.

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