Channel Seven’s telecast of v8’s

[deeks6]

Dare I say it? It's getting more and more like 10 ... half the coverage wasted filming pitstops ... GRRRRRRRR ... there's a RACE on somehwere ...

[GTRMagic]

The presenters keep asserting that the same crew are preparing the coverage this year that did the job last year.

But somehow, its different.

To me, there seems to be less equipment in use at the race meetings, less crew around, less trucks/portable buildings and the like.

Its sad when a number of people in Sydney have asked me why the series moved from #10 as the #7 coverage is a not as good...

When you ask what they like or dont like... the answer is usually around them thinking #7 are doing everything in a hurry, that there is no time for reflection, or catching up with what's happening... they wonder whether it is all rushed to fit in with the AFL schedule (like yesterday's time shortened race)

How can you defend the coverage? I struggled to...

There is a shedload of great vision being recorded at the track, the plasma screens in pitlane show loads of action and activity... but somehow its not being packaged sweetly enough for the casual viewer to keep interested.

Perhaps a review is in order? Dr John... please!

[fomoco]

It's been said befor,7, went shopping. If you are a follower of AFl and live in Qld 10 is the only one for footy,or unless, like the guru's want you to do, buy fox and watch it, the v8's are in the same boat. I remeber years back, race telecast were at 11:00 pm . nothing has changed at 7 in the years that have pasted. and as the commentators say on the "7 supposed coverage of football" now back to our host broadcaster for the game.

need to say any more.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to the gold coast office

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by fomoco

It's been said befor,7, went shopping. If you are a follower of AFl and live in Qld 10 is the only one for footy,or unless, like the guru's want you to do, buy fox and watch it, the v8's are in the same boat. I remeber years back, race telecast were at 11:00 pm . nothing has changed at 7 in the years that have pasted. and as the commentators say on the "7 supposed coverage of football" now back to our host broadcaster for the game.

need to say any more.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to the gold coast office

Are you for real, Coch0 went shopping not 7.
Two deals were on the table, & Coch0 bought the one from 7, not the other from 10.
Coch0 was shopping & bought on price !!

fomoco, your inferred criticism of 7 is way off the mark - address your complaints to the those who banked the gold based on the Gold Coat.

[racer69]

Originally Posted by fomoco

It's been said befor,7, went shopping. If you are a follower of AFl and live in Qld 10 is the only one for footy,or unless, like the guru's want you to do, buy fox and watch it, the v8's are in the same boat. I remeber years back, race telecast were at 11:00 pm . nothing has changed at 7 in the years that have pasted. and as the commentators say on the "7 supposed coverage of football" now back to our host broadcaster for the game.

need to say any more.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to the gold coast office

As cavvy says, the problem is all VESA, not Channel 7.

What people keep forgetting is that the only real involvement Channel 7 has is pressing play on the tapes given to them by V8TV.



One thing that saddens me is the fact that with specialist production companies in V8TV and AVE (who do everything else) recording motorsport, we now have the scenario where NO television stations in Australia are involved in motorsport, bar pressing play on the footage they are given........

[yap]

Originally Posted by racer69

As cavvy says, the problem is all VESA, not Channel 7.

What people keep forgetting is that the only real involvement Channel 7 has is pressing play on the tapes given to them by V8TV.

So who is responsible for inflicting Matthew White and Grant Denyer on us....is it Ch7 or VESA

Whenever I hear Matthew White raise his voice carrying on as if what we are watching is SO exciting or when I see Denyer doing an interview in pit lane cracking a joke that is so lame even his mother wouldn't laugh at it it drives me crazy

Just my 2c worth

[Denosaur]

Originally Posted by yap

So who is responsible for inflicting Matthew White and Grant Denyer on us....is it Ch7 or VESA

Whenever I hear Matthew White raise his voice carrying on as if what we are watching is SO exciting or when I see Denyer doing an interview in pit lane cracking a joke that is so lame even his mother wouldn't laugh at it it drives me crazy

Just my 2c worth

I thought that the freedom of speech was for the driver and not the commentators. Really un-professional from Denyer trying to egg Skaife on after Race 1 to get a reaction out of him on GT comments. Comments which I never herd GT say on the telecast, unless I was at the refrigerator at the time.

IMHO I've herd better commentary on a National Dog Show.

[Wrighty05]

The bonus of 7 is the telecast of qualifying, have enjoyed that this year.

Am sick of watching cars doing 40 kmh in pitlane. at least do a split screen with aother car on the track

[just asking]

Denosaur, i agree, however the general sentiments were the same.

Grant said "ability"

Tander said "talent"

But it was mentioned in the telecast from Tander.....how the fridge going!

[Falcadore]

Originally Posted by yap

So who is responsible for inflicting Matthew White and Grant Denyer on us....is it Ch7 or VESA

VESA. They can pick whomever they like to commentate. So who is available? Leigh Diffey's gone back overseas. Bill Woods and Greg Rust are contracted to Channel 10. Mark Oastler isn't interested. Mike Raymond is on the nose and/or not interested. Steve Robilliard disappeared into the ABC years ago. Crompton, White and Denyer are all ex-Channel 10 V8 people. Noonan works within the V8 circus. Beretta is Indy FM TV's anchor.

All experienced V8 people, and some already aligned to Channel 7. 7 I imagine would want some say as its a mid level profile show for them, and while the making of it is outsourced, most people do not know that, and 7, aware of that would prefer to see their own people at least in evidence.

All makes perfect sense.

Who else is there? Wade Aunger? His style, verging on the over-exuberant in his highest profile series WSS and Utes is probably against the image they want to portray. Grant Boyden would be a good choice, although he's usually busy working for Carrera Cup. Richard Craill from Formula 3 and GT is another possibility. Phil Branagan from Motorsport News has worked for 7 in the past. Garry O'Brien and Luke West both act a series P/A commentators and through Auto Action have contacts in the circus but lack TV experience. From there where do you go? John Smailes? Brett Ramsay? Briony Ingerson? Mark Walker? Glenn Ridge? Larry Emdur? That dweeb on Channel 9 created specifically as a Grant Denyer clone who couldn't get anywhere after sitcoms? What's-her-name from last years RPM who'se disappeared without trace?

In any case, if you don't like the 7 mob, that's your problem to deal with. You don't get a say in hiring policy anymore than I do.

[Denosaur]

Originally Posted by just asking

Grant said "ability"
Tander said "talent"
But it was mentioned in the telecast from Tander.....how the fridge going!

I swear Grant said "talent" as well to MS. Anyway not going to get in the semantics of what was said and wasn't, either way his commentary and journalistic abilities have been below par.

Compare these blokes to the people that ESPN or TNT have to cover NASCAR and they make V8TV and 7 look like Channel 31 or like there former Shopping Channel sales people. Even the ITV F1 guys are looking good, and there a bunch of old hacks who have been around for years.

As for the fridge, looking good, thou a beer fridge in the TV room would be good.

[racer69]

I don't know about the NASCAR people Denosaur, i dread the day we hear someone saying "Boogity Boogity Boogity" whilst we are waiting for the lights to go green (sorry, out........ no matter how many red lights go out, they should never mean go) at Bathurst.

Actually one of the best commentary teams was the old CBS NASCAR commentary team of Ken Squire, David Hobbs and Ned Jarrett. Ken himself was a visitor to Bathurst in 1980.


As for improving the 7 commentary team, there is little better out there. And anyway, do any of the AVE guys know how to commentate anywhere except in a studio?

[Falcadore]

Originally Posted by racer69

As for improving the 7 commentary team, there is little better out there. And anyway, do any of the AVE guys know how to commentate anywhere except in a studio?

Yes. Most of them do live commentary over the P/A at the circuits for the crowds. Worked with Aunger, Boyden and Craill in that role as well as a bunch of others like Barry Oliver, Noonan, O'Brien, West, Geoff Boyd and a whole bunch of others over the years.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by Falcadore

Yes. Most of them do live commentary over the P/A at the circuits for the crowds. Worked with Aunger, Boyden and Craill in that role as well as a bunch of others like Barry Oliver, Noonan, O'Brien, West, Geoff Boyd and a whole bunch of others over the years.

Yes, but circuit commentary is not TV commentary.

Slightly OT, but I had not been to a V8 Supercar race for two years when I went to Phillip Island last year.

I could not believe the circuit commentary from Barry Oliver. He kept mentioning "if you look at the big screen you can see" - where I was sitting (entry to turn one) there was no big screen! A man of his experience should know not to deliver circuit commentary from a TV monitor.

[WebberForWDC]

Any of the supporter commentators are better than Matthew White!

[lookleft]

Two words .... Erin McNaught

[Denosaur]

Originally Posted by racer69

I don't know about the NASCAR people Denosaur, i dread the day we hear someone saying "Boogity Boogity Boogity" whilst we are waiting for the lights to go green (sorry, out........ no matter how many red lights go out, they should never mean go) at Bathurst.

Obviously you haven't watch any NASCAR in the long time racer69. These days they don't say much, mostly like "And where racing here at...." but then they shut up for about lap and half and they insert the radio calls they're scanning of the spotters talking to the drivers.

But mind you, you can see some difference between the ring-in ex-crew chief/drivers/basketball player-car owner commentators and the professionally trained journalist.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Denosaur

Obviously you haven't watch any NASCAR in the long time racer69. These days they don't say much, mostly like "And where racing here at...." but then they shut up for about lap and half and they insert the radio calls they're scanning of the spotters talking to the drivers.

Have watched quite a few this year, (well you know how it is for Nascar, 20 laps then its time for something or anything else) and the commentary is rubbish. Daryl Waltrip, every time he opens his mouth I cringe.

One US commentator I dont mind is Jon Beekhuis from ESPN's ChampCar broadcasts, pity they put him with some clown for each race.

[Denosaur]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Have watched quite a few this year, (well you know how it is for Nascar, 20 laps then its time for something or anything else) and the commentary is rubbish. Daryl Waltrip, every time he opens his mouth I cringe.

One US commentator I dont mind is Jon Beekhuis from ESPN's ChampCar broadcasts, pity they put him with some clown for each race.

Daryl and Michael Waltrip, I agree, all they do is talk

Also DRT may I suggest, if the budget stretches get the Foxtel IQ. I set to record, watch the Count Down to Green, first couple of laps, and fast forward to end. Best thing I ever did was getting the IQ.

All this talk thou about NASCAR, Champcar and commentators of old ain't going to solve the problem of Channel 7 and V8TV.

[racer69]

Originally Posted by Denosaur

Obviously you haven't watch any NASCAR in the long time racer69. These days they don't say much, mostly like "And where racing here at...." but then they shut up for about lap and half and they insert the radio calls they're scanning of the spotters talking to the drivers.

I was mainly referring to the FOX team from the first half of the season, i'll agree the later broadcasts from TNT and now ESPN have been much better, though i'm not sure about Rusty Wallace.

[Denosaur]

Originally Posted by racer69

I was mainly referring to the FOX team from the first half of the season, i'll agree the later broadcasts from TNT and now ESPN have been much better, though i'm not sure about Rusty Wallace.

When Rusty's nephew is running he focuses a little too much on him. His knowledge and info is great, but the delivery is just shocking.

[peckstar]

Rusttys nephew, i assume thats Steve. now there is someone who could learn to open his mouth when he talks, and they keep interviwing him because his last name is wallace

[chavez]

Probably little consolation for South Aussie viewers, but individual races are available from www.sportsdelivered.com.

http://www.sportsdelivered.com/catal...o.aspx?cid=692

[MosquitoByte]

Having decided to watch the Carrera Cup race on the box yesterday, I was intruiged after a very few laps. Is it me, or are there less camera's in use track-side? Are the camera operators having trouble panning, it seems every second lap, a camer would "lose" the car it was tracking.

As for the V8's......well.....let's say that they were so exciting, I fell asleep 10 minutes into qualifying. I suppose I should thank TS for pushing me away from working trackside at stupor-cabs, wouldn't have looked good falling asleep on the point. I feel sorry for all those out there, an hour of qualifying, then top ten...that's bound to let boredom set in, great scheduling.

I can see the next great step in V8's to improve the show AND help channel 7 keep on schedule with the foolball....V8 Stupor-Cabs Regularity!!!!

[BFC]

Originally Posted by MosquitoByte

Having decided to watch the Carrera Cup race on the box yesterday, I was intruiged after a very few laps. Is it me, or are there less camera's in use track-side? Are the camera operators having trouble panning, it seems every second lap, a camer would "lose" the car it was tracking.

As for the V8's......well.....let's say that they were so exciting, I fell asleep 10 minutes into qualifying. I suppose I should thank TS for pushing me away from working trackside at stupor-cabs, wouldn't have looked good falling asleep on the point. I feel sorry for all those out there, an hour of qualifying, then top ten...that's bound to let boredom set in, great scheduling.

I can see the next great step in V8's to improve the show AND help channel 7 keep on schedule with the foolball....V8 Stupor-Cabs Regularity!!!!

here here Mossie........i was nodding off too watching it decided to watch something else...and ive been starved of motorsport for 7 weeks