[VASC16R1R2R3] Clipsal 500 Adelaide - Page 6

peckstar · 6 Mar 2016, 06:36 (Ref:3620425)

good news.

wonder if we can get clarification on the fuel rules,

fomoco · 6 Mar 2016, 06:38 (Ref:3620426)

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Originally Posted by Tourer

I can see protests coming out of this one, regardless of who is declared as winner. Just too shambolic, the question of when the race started, of what happens if not enough fuel added in some cars etc

Just seen a heap of lawyers heading to the Parklands site

Reload · 6 Mar 2016, 06:50 (Ref:3620427)

Well that was a major disappointment and one of the most bizarre motor races that I've ever seen.

rich07 · 6 Mar 2016, 06:53 (Ref:3620428)

Percat wins??

Hope so. Would be cool to see a underdog win

gravin · 6 Mar 2016, 06:55 (Ref:3620429)

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Originally Posted by Reload

Well that was a major disappointment and one of the most bizarre motor races that I've ever seen.

At least you saw it - superview :-(

Reload · 6 Mar 2016, 07:00 (Ref:3620430)

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Originally Posted by gravin

At least you saw it - superview :-(

Was a good one to miss.

Armco Bender · 6 Mar 2016, 07:01 (Ref:3620431)

Last time I saw a race that dodgy Fine Cotton won..

peckstar · 6 Mar 2016, 07:02 (Ref:3620432)

cam waters leading prodrive driver in champonship

that was a weirder race than 2014 bathurst, cant be helped

intriguing from the start

**GTRMagic** · 6 Mar 2016, 07:03 (Ref:3620434)

WOW!!

Matt · 6 Mar 2016, 07:07 (Ref:3620435)

Yeah, that was a bizarre one.

Superview packed it up so I watched it through the VLC means.

As bizarre as it all was, really awesome to see LDM and Percat take the win. Sometimes the little guys do come out on top.

William5 · 6 Mar 2016, 07:11 (Ref:3620436)

Ten finished 30mins early which is bizarre. There is a massive protest on Facebook about that rule of 140L. What is also frustrating is that the V8s finished way too early as it should go the full distance for the major events rather than this time certain finish.

Kingair · 6 Mar 2016, 07:14 (Ref:3620439)

Congratulations to Nick Percat and the LDM team.

Good to the little guys get onto the podium.

What did Percat pay on Ubet?

Apart from that a crazy day for the V8 boys.

Three races, three different winners and Caruso leads the championship.

Roll on the Grand Prix.

greenracer · 6 Mar 2016, 07:22 (Ref:3620441)

I know it is difficult to write rules and regulations covering all scenarios but surely this is a case for commonsence [sadly lacking in V8 supercar officialdom] to ignore the fuel regs, with more one third of the race to still to be run how is a team to manage this situation. As for the start did they make it up as they went along? A second rate performance from the officials to such a great race.

SJA · 6 Mar 2016, 07:26 (Ref:3620442)

What the actual F just happened?

The rule book is contrived and makes no sense as demonstrated today. When you have sub-clauses for sub-clauses, it's time to start from scratch. When a forest grows too wild, a purging fire is inevitable and natural.

Tim Schenken, retire mate! We all heard you on the telecast today, you had no idea where you were half the time. You're 72, you had a good run, but go home and have a beer and let someone else take over. We all beg you!

Kingair · 6 Mar 2016, 07:29 (Ref:3620444)

How come the TV coverage on Ten finished at 6pm, when it was advertised as 6.30pm finish?

peckstar · 6 Mar 2016, 07:37 (Ref:3620447)

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Originally Posted by SJA

What the actual F just happened?

The rule book is contrived and makes no sense as demonstrated today. When you have sub-clauses for sub-clauses, it's time to start from scratch. When a forest grows too wild, a purging fire is inevitable and natural.

Tim Schenken, retire mate! We all heard you on the telecast today, you had no idea where you were half the time. You're 72, you had a good run, but go home and have a beer and let someone else take over. We all beg you!

well it rained, and because that creates a varaible you have to have subclauses to cover the variable, There is a long history of teams abusing the spirit of the law with technicalities and thus techinical rules have to happen.

We had a couple of things happened today that have never happened before or at least rarely happen.

The only issue appeared to be releaseing the cars from pit lane a alap too early and it would also seem some volunteers were trying to enforce a rule regarding working on cars under red flags that was not part of the series

will be an interesting time in front of the stewards tonight from some of the early incidents

im sure inside supercars will have all the news on tuesday night

Compromised · 6 Mar 2016, 07:40 (Ref:3620449)

Utter abortion of a race.

Even something like the SVG/JC debacle just pales in comparsion compared to some of the other pearlers. Is the race started or isn't it

A clean out at race control is needed. Schenken and Bargs just dont seem as competent as a series like Supercars deserves.

SJA · 6 Mar 2016, 07:42 (Ref:3620450)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

well it rained, and because that creates a varaible you have to have subclauses to cover the variable, There is a long history of teams abusing the spirit of the law with technicalities and thus techinical rules have to happen.

We had a couple of things happened today that have never happened before or at least rarely happen.

The only issue appeared to be releaseing the cars from pit lane a alap too early and it would also seem some volunteers were trying to enforce a rule regarding working on cars under red flags that was not part of the series

will be an interesting time in front of the stewards tonight from some of the early incidents

im sure inside supercars will have all the news on tuesday night

What's the purpose of the fuel rule? Did it serve its intended purpose today, or was it a farce? Be honest.

Langers · 6 Mar 2016, 07:46 (Ref:3620453)

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Originally Posted by greenracer

I know it is difficult to write rules and regulations covering all scenarios but surely this is a case for commonsence [sadly lacking in V8 supercar officialdom] to ignore the fuel regs, with more one third of the race to still to be run how is a team to manage this situation. As for the start did they make it up as they went along? A second rate performance from the officials to such a great race.

Once the rules are written and published, I can't see how you can apply 'common sense' by adjusting or applying creative interpretation of the rules on the fly, without it being perceived to favour one entrant over another.

You could argue this is a case of poorly written rules - or perhaps LDM and others were smart and predicted the full race distance wouldn't be reached and dumped in fuel early.

At the end of the day, the rules are written, published and I believe signed off by a committee which includes several team owners.

Compromised · 6 Mar 2016, 07:49 (Ref:3620454)

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Originally Posted by SJA

What's the purpose of the fuel rule? Did it serve its intended purpose today, or was it a farce? Be honest.

Did I hear that some cars couldn't even fit the required fuel in?

peckstar · 6 Mar 2016, 07:51 (Ref:3620455)

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Originally Posted by Compromised

Utter abortion of a race.

Even something like the SVG/JC debacle just pales in comparsion compared to some of the other pearlers. Is the race started or isn't it

A clean out at race control is needed. Schenken and Bargs just dont seem as competent as a series like Supercars deserves.

maybe a clean out of the laughing buffoon from the commentary box, he seemed to create a lot of the confusion.

of course the race had started

Compromised · 6 Mar 2016, 07:51 (Ref:3620456)

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Originally Posted by Langers

Once the rules are written and published, I can't see how you can apply 'common sense' by adjusting or applying creative interpretation of the rules on the fly, without it being perceived to favour one entrant over another.

Isn't that what Bargs was doing today? Sure seem liked it, even Skaifey and Crompo were bemused

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Originally Posted by Langers

You could argue this is a case of poorly written rules - or perhaps LDM and others were smart and predicted the full race distance wouldn't be reached and dumped in fuel early.

Plodders/backmarkers usually fuel up early, doubt there was any great prescience involved

Langers · 6 Mar 2016, 07:55 (Ref:3620457)

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Originally Posted by Compromised

Isn't that what Bargs was doing today? Sure seem liked it, even Skaifey and Crompo were bemused

Exactly, and it did seem to unfairly favour SVG. But who knows, I don't have all the camera feeds that race control does.

peckstar · 6 Mar 2016, 08:00 (Ref:3620458)

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Originally Posted by SJA

What's the purpose of the fuel rule? Did it serve its intended purpose today, or was it a farce? Be honest.

it served its intended purpose today, which is to ensure each team spends equal time stopping for fuel

the issue today was that some teams (but not red bull/caltex) did a better strategy than others and the more common front runners did not stratagise well enough. bad luck to them. the rolled the dice the wrong way. it happens in races with unpredicatble issues like weather or late safety cars

Driver TBA · 6 Mar 2016, 08:11 (Ref:3620462)

I thought a race could only be declared after 75% of distance? Any less is only half points or something?

So race is declared at under 55% if race distance, yet teams are still expected to take on the minimum fuel load......

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