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It seemed to be Tandy off the top of my head. It would either be him or Hartley; unsurprisingly they did the lion's share of the laps for their respective cars.
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17 Apr 2017, 06:17 (Ref:3727266) | #7704 | |
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Well it's his first race for Porsche. Maybe we need to give him some more time to adapt.
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17 Apr 2017, 06:25 (Ref:3727267) | #7705 | ||
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To be honest I never rated Lotterer as highly as some other people. Yes he's great and he was the fastest in his car at Audi, but Fässler and Lotterer were not the best benchmarks. In the last two years I thought Di Grassi in the other Audi was faster than Lotterer and lots of times Duval, too. So, I wouldn't be surprised to see that at Porsche he is not the best in his car, but obviously this was his first race for Porsche, he still has the potential to be the quickest and I wouldn't judge him based on this one race, I'm just saying that for me it's not obvious at all that he would be the best. |
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I'm not sure how anyone can come to the conclusion that Lotterer was below par last year - I disagree, but it can be argued in isolation - while Duval wasn't, when he was easily the slowest driver of his car last year, and if not for Treluyer he would have been the slowest Audi driver overall.
Back on topic, Porsche more or less matched Toyota for race pace with their LD setup on a high-downforce track. While they should be disappointed with the result (had the #1 had shadowed the #8 then at worst they could have pincered the Toyota at the end), the race-running of the LM-spec aero and the speed on old tyres are encouraging. |
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17 Apr 2017, 20:12 (Ref:3727397) | #7707 | |
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They seem to have a slight fuel economy advantage, but the low drag package probably helps in that regard. The pit stops are definitely in favor of Porsche. I wonder if they found another way to get the fuel in the tank faster like in 2015? On pace, they were within a second, but imo the safety car and the rain closed the gaps up and Toyota didn't have 2 bullets in the gun to cover both Porsche's. Plus I feel the #8 car was the faster Toyota, especially when on fresh tires. This is going to be good come Spa because Toyota knows what they need to do now and Porsche will feel confident with the LM package's pace.
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I think they have F1 style wheel nuts which helps on the wheel change stops.
I don't know how surprising it was , but it was mentioned to me by someone at Toyota that they would have the same stint length as Porsche. Perhaps it was the low downforce kit. Will it make the extra lap at Le Mans? |
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21 Apr 2017, 15:11 (Ref:3728205) | #7709 | |
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Here's the answer to the tire change quickness https://twitter.com/BaronVonClutch/s...97075850051585 ONE HAND!
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21 Apr 2017, 19:27 (Ref:3728241) | #7711 | |
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Nick Tandy was explaining that while Porsche had a low downforce aero kit, they had converted it to a high downforce specification. (I.e things like RW angle, diveplanes, front end blocking, vehicle rake) and since the kit isn't actually designed to run in that way, it not only doesn't have the max downforce numbers of the Toyota, but also carried far more drag. An intentional high downforce kit would be much more efficient (df to drag ratio). This explains why the Porsche did not have a top speed advantage.
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22 Apr 2017, 06:36 (Ref:3728311) | #7712 | |
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Well they still did have high speed advantage, drag an df was still less than Toyota, but they came surprisingly close.
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22 Apr 2017, 21:29 (Ref:3728453) | #7713 | |
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I think they stayed close because the weather and those really good pit stops. If it were dry and no safety car, it's likely Toyota would have been further ahead. Probably not a lap but definitely more than 6 seconds. Porsche admitted it as well. We'll see how Spa plays out and if Toyota sacrifices some downforce for a higher top speed. And what happens between the two different aero packages they use. If it stays like Silverstone it should be a tight season!
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5 May 2017, 09:17 (Ref:3731176) | #7714 | ||
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It is beginning to look like Porsche need to go back and design a new car.
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5 May 2017, 09:38 (Ref:3731179) | #7715 | |
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Toyota is doing what Porsche has been doing till now - mastering the qualification.
Race pace is something completely different. |
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5 May 2017, 11:00 (Ref:3731187) | #7716 | |
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well, looking at the longer stints in FP3, the porsches only get into the 1:58s (no2 especially, no1 barely went into the 1:58s once), while the no7 toyota is in the 1:57s. however, the LD toyota is also only in the 1:58s, so i think the situation is really nicely balanced come le mans.
nice to also see the HD toyota no8 hitting 312 km/h on the kemmel. |
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5 May 2017, 15:36 (Ref:3731252) | #7720 | |
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one quick porsche lap. seems like the top speed goes down very early down the straights, when the hybrid power runs out. which would suggest there's quite a lot of downforce in that setup. ultimately, porsche has got the fastest sector 2.
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5 May 2017, 16:26 (Ref:3731262) | #7721 | |
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Hey, sometimes eating your own words tastes good!
I always expected 2017 was going to be a challenge for Porsche as the basic car is now old (my understanding is 2018 will be a new car?) That said, I think it is looking like this might be a very interesting season. I highly respect Toyota, and still think they may be the strongest this year (too early to say for sure), but I think Porsche will be in the mix and we will see a lot of good racing. |
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5 May 2017, 16:44 (Ref:3731268) | #7722 | |
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Porsche on pole followed the Toyota trio and the second Porsche chasing. Sounds like a good thing to watch imo! For anyone who watched qualifying, did Porsche or Toyota change tires with the driver?
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IMO, sounds like Porsche may've been sandbagging a bit. And maybe Lotterer has adapted quick enough to still be a lethal weapon in a LMP1 car. If he hasn't adapted yet, imagine how fast he could be when he does, considering he did his part today with Jani.
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5 May 2017, 18:46 (Ref:3731314) | #7725 | |
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I am cheering for Porsche big time this year. I love the livery by the way. Looks great on the GT cars to. Best livery by far since Porsche started racing WEC as factory team again in 2013.
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