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Old 9 Mar 2006, 14:59 (Ref:1541763)   #26
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The 2.0S was produced in JPS colours but it was a road car.
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Old 9 Mar 2006, 15:02 (Ref:1541764)   #27
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I believe so yes. Ford supplied Lotus with 1200 delux shells in white or primer ( not sure) June 65 was the last of the A frame cars (as aerflow models)
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Old 9 Mar 2006, 15:44 (Ref:1541778)   #28
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Nope. I had a mk1 2.0 GTXLR with trick suspension and no brakes. Great car.
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Old 9 Mar 2006, 20:14 (Ref:1541921)   #29
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Sorry to highjack but I have fond memories of a 1300 Mk2 Capri, I reckon because of the lightweight engine set further back it handled virtually on par with an Elan I once owned, I drove it to the South of France and back withtwo little kids in the back, the following year I did the same down to Northern SPain in a 2 litre 'S' Y reg 5 speed box etc but I still reckoned the 1300 went through roundabouts better!
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Old 9 Mar 2006, 20:50 (Ref:1541952)   #30
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Nope. I had a mk1 2.0 GTXLR with trick suspension and no brakes. Great car.
That'll be a pre-facelift with a 2L Essex V4 then!

A friend of mine had a 3.0 GTXLR. Nice car. Bag of cement in the rear to help it handle better (I kid you not!).

I concur with Zef on the Lotus Cortina's. Weren't they all white with the official green stripe.

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Old 10 Mar 2006, 11:34 (Ref:1542240)   #31
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I concur with Zef on the Lotus Cortina's. Weren't they all white with the official green stripe.
The Team Lotus racing cortinas were but don't forget the Alan Mann cars that were entered on behalf of Ford - these were red and gold - that is, Alan Mann's colours NOT as some magazines have suggested anything to do with Lotus' sponsorship by Gold Leaf - even then the dates don't really tally

The works rally cars were white and green but when the Cortina GT was dropped as a rally car the works Mk 1 Lotus Cortina rally cars were all red

The Mk 2 works rally cars were a variety of colours (even gold) including the traditional white and green

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Old 10 Mar 2006, 11:37 (Ref:1542243)   #32
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I have fond memories of a 1300 Mk2 Capri, I reckon because of the lightweight engine set further back it handled virtually on par with an Elan I once owned
Hmmmm.....wot sort of a state was that elan in then???
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Old 10 Mar 2006, 11:41 (Ref:1542245)   #33
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A friend of mine had a 3.0 GTXLR. Nice car. Bag of cement in the rear to help it handle better (I kid you not!).

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I had a 3.0 S and carried several kilos of lead in the boot for the same reason. Great 'fun car' but spooky in the wet!

Also had a Lotus Cortina 'D' plate about 1970/71. It had been resprayed black but retained the dark green stripe. Remember driving it to Paris a few times on the old RN1 (before the Autoroutes were there!) and thank God it had a sump guard. Think it had a Kent reg No DKK(?)xxxD - Often wondered what happened to it?
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Old 10 Mar 2006, 12:49 (Ref:1542282)   #34
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I know the dates dont match. Just thought I had read an article of that mentioned a cortina being done up in JPS colours for some sort of demo run or event... Must have been imagining it. :confused:

I know about the Alan Mann cars. Proper gold in the pain on those
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Old 10 Mar 2006, 12:51 (Ref:1542283)   #35
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Hmmmm.....wot sort of a state was that elan in then???
My thought too, having co-driven a cammy 1300 Capri rally car!
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Old 10 Mar 2006, 12:59 (Ref:1542286)   #36
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The works rally cars were white and green but when the Cortina GT was dropped as a rally car the works Mk 1 Lotus Cortina rally cars were all red
The Boreham rally Cortinas were red right up to the final batch of cars built for the 66 Alpine Rally (and re-used on the 66 RAC)? Those white/green cars also used Minilite wheels for the first time. Identities get blurred even then - Vic Elford's final new car carried KPU380C, which had previously been used on a 65 red car. The others were "NVW" series registrations, which had begun to be used on the 66 Monte Group One cars.
Combine thread with the Alan Mann one below?
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Old 10 Mar 2006, 13:11 (Ref:1542294)   #37
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I believe so yes.
Interesting conflict with G. Robson's "Boreham" book (not doubting you - I have found other errors in the book!).
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http://www.world-of-cortina.co.uk/
has a picture of the Whitmore/Sears Mann car at what it says is Nurburgring 65. This shows a white car with a 64 registration but is it the new leafspring KPU392C in disguise prior to painting red or is it still a 64 A frame car? However, no guarantee there either - the first picture on page 2 of the interesting Vic Elford feature on the same site is not of VE in a works car but of Roger Clark in his private GT and some other VE pictures are wrongly-captioned!
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Old 10 Mar 2006, 19:47 (Ref:1543143)   #38
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Hmmmm.....wot sort of a state was that elan in then???
The Elan was fine, what do you expect for the £240 I paid for it and I am not joking, mind you I also bought a Coopers S 970cc engined Lotus 7 for 40 quid off a trader becasuse it need a weld on the chassis which was a bit of 1" box if my mempry serves me right and took me about 10 minutes, I sold it for £250 which was a fortune in those days when you could by a good servicable convertable E type of that sort of money.
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I had a JPS only a 1.6 but still a lot of fun, it was a bit of a shed when I bought it. Quite a rare car now and the white JPS with gold stripes is extremely rare...
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The Boreham rally Cortinas were red right up to the final batch of cars built for the 66 Alpine Rally (and re-used on the 66 RAC)? Those white/green cars also used Minilite wheels for the first time. Identities get blurred even then - Vic Elford's final new car carried KPU380C, which had previously been used on a 65 red car. The others were "NVW" series registrations, which had begun to be used on the 66 Monte Group One cars.
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Not in Kenya! The winning works Cortina GT's in the 1964 Safari were definitely white (with black bonnets). I think the team cars stripes were all green, but there were blue and red stripes around as well.

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Well, OK, if you're sure!
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Old 25 Mar 2006, 21:30 (Ref:1560540)   #42
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Sir John Whitmores ETCC winning car is alive and well, as is Sir John and Alan Mann.

I don't know if there's an 'official' record of cars prepared by AM, if the organisation was anything like Willment then I'd expect not.

As for reshelling, it was done when they where new, and obviously is still done today. I'm not convinced there are many if any genuine original race cars still in use, some of those that are have been built as replicas and originals either 'museumed' or scrapped
Bob Winkelman who resides in San Francisco has one of the original Mk1s shipped over to the States by Colin Chapman,original shell,alloy bonnet boot and doors,big alloy tank etc. He has owned the vehicle since new, or after Chapman finished racing with it, think he bought all three that wiped the boared in the sixty's, apparently they where driven by Clark ,Whitmore and co but no records kept of who drove what.
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Old 26 Mar 2006, 11:06 (Ref:1561253)   #43
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Not in Kenya! The winning works Cortina GT's in the 1964 Safari were definitely white (with black bonnets). I think the team cars stripes were all green, but there were blue and red stripes around as well.
Yes, 64 Safari cars built over winter and shipped before the new red team cars had finished an event in Europe. Although Safari regs required near standard cars throughout the Cortina period and the 64 "KHS" cars were only registerd in Kenya, they should certainly be considered "works" cars. No stripes in 64. The lone Mk1 Lotus used on 67 Safari alongside the Mk2 GTs seems to have had green stripes. Any information on any 65 and 66 Safari Cortinas, which seem less well reported?
All other 64-66 works rally cars may have a particular identity and registration number linked to a particular driver for an extended period but were routinely re-shelled so the odd one that "survives" seems unlikely to be "original" any more than some of the "ex-works" Escorts that are about now.
Are we any further towards helping the first poster ref the ex-Alan Mann car KPU384C?
KPU392C is accepted as "original" in shell etc and if the true 65 cars appeared quite late into 65 and were retired at the end of the year, it looks as if KPU384C was the second of two 65 cars. If the numbers were actually rotated around more than 2 shells in 65, it would raise questions about 392's provenance and that isn't queried. There are few events and a fairly short timescale involved.
KPU390C then seems to appear on 66 Whitmore car
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I have an Alan Mann liveried Lotus Cortina which carries on its FIA papers the reg KPU 393C although sadly the V5 documents have a different reg. The car used to be campaigned by Tony and Peter Lanfranchi and laterly Whizzo Williams took Tony's seat when he wasnt able to race due to his ultimately fatal illness.
I havent driven it yet but wil be at Castle Combe on Easter Monday so I cannot tell yo what its like but I have high hopes. Zeferally is currently casting his magic spanner over it!
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I'd imagine the lack of history regarding 65-66 safari cars is because they didn't win !
reliability seems to have been the reason for success earely mid 60's which is exactly why the GT's where successful and the Lotus not so.

MK2 LC's where available in any colour as the shell was as the 2 door GT and built at Ford, with the exception of AM cars I don't think any cortinas left Lotus in any colour other than white

my 'magic spanners' are resting today, as my 'magic back' isn't feeling so magic after shifting 2 tonnes of ferrous tat on Saturday !
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