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Old 16 Nov 2017, 12:43 (Ref:3780728)   #691
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***In addition to planned adoption of a Teams’ World Championship and revised points structure for the 24 Hours of Le Mans, the FIA and ACO have adopted changes to pit stop regulations for 2018/19, which will permit tire changes during refueling.

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That may be the case, but we already had the P2's on the overall podium this year. Is a P2 really that much worse of a proposition for a team when it comes to Le Mans in 2018? Don't get me wrong, I want to see REB in P1 and as many cars as possible in P1, but if I had a team, I wouldn't count out a P2 entry being strong at Le Mans.
LMP2 will be in horribly weaker proposition next year at the 24 Hours, IMO there is zero chance for win. Maybe podium again as off chance but I wouldn't even bet on that, it really will be difficult.

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And on top of that if you have 10+ LMP1 as it very well looks as is the case, all of them would have to blunder off the radar before P2s. Pretty much Le Mans 2010 would have to happen again more or less.

Also, even if we forget LMP1 for a second and go to P2 alone, Oreca will effectively be neutered next year with the other three cartell manufacturers receiving their joker EVO updates or whatever they're called, you're not gonna get as dominant machinery as this year from them.
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Old 16 Nov 2017, 14:11 (Ref:3780749)   #692
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LMP2 will be in horribly weaker proposition next year at the 24 Hours, IMO there is zero chance for win. Maybe podium again as off chance but I wouldn't even bet on that, it really will be difficult.

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And on top of that if you have 10+ LMP1 as it very well looks as is the case, all of them would have to blunder off the radar before P2s. Pretty much Le Mans 2010 would have to happen again more or less.

Also, even if we forget LMP1 for a second and go to P2 alone, Oreca will effectively be neutered next year with the other three cartell manufacturers receiving their joker EVO updates or whatever they're called, you're not gonna get as dominant machinery as this year from them.
I agree, the numbers of potential lmp1's do make things more unlikely. But they are all going to be new cars, so you never know what will happen. Plus what are the odds that Toyota really will get both cars home in one piece?
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Old 16 Nov 2017, 14:58 (Ref:3780758)   #693
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As for the pit stops, I don't know why the ACO ditched the ALMS style of stops. One wheel gun at a time didn't cut down on the number of pit crew going over the wall, and the only time in post LM races that teams double stinted tires was when tire allocations forced them to.

I always thought that the one wheel gun at a time deal was kinda stupid.
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Old 16 Nov 2017, 15:25 (Ref:3780764)   #694
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I agree, the numbers of potential lmp1's do make things more unlikely. But they are all going to be new cars, so you never know what will happen. Plus what are the odds that Toyota really will get both cars home in one piece?
Mm yes, but I think in recent years we've seen fairly good reliability from new machinery (even LMP2 this year), so the likelihood of -massive- drama should be smaller than it used to. I do however expect (obviously) ByKolles to be non-factor, the AERs of SMP-Dallaras to blow up, and yes Toyotas to crumble because that's what they tend to do, so what you are left will be the Ginettas and Oreca(s). Hopefully the Ginetta P1 department is stronger than the initial LMP3 one...
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It was said on some DSC piece that Oreca may field LMP1 under themselves next year? That'd be interesting, and first time since 2011. I mean I know they've basically been running the Toyota operations anyway track side, but team of their own.
If Oreca run a 'works' car it can only be because they truly believe there is a real opportunity for overall victory ...
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***In addition to planned adoption of a Teamsí World Championship and revised points structure for the 24 Hours of Le Mans, the FIA and ACO have adopted changes to pit stop regulations for 2018/19, which will permit tire changes during refueling.

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Arrgggh, what is wrong with these people?
Splitting tyre changes and refuelling is such an easy win for tactical variation. And it has the added advantage of not forcing drivers to do stupid, dangerous IMSA-style changes where they end up leaving the box without doing up their belts.
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Arrgggh, what is wrong with these people?
Splitting tyre changes and refuelling is such an easy win for tactical variation. And it has the added advantage of not forcing drivers to do stupid, dangerous IMSA-style changes where they end up leaving the box without doing up their belts.
Maybe the teams were asking for this change?

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Old 18 Nov 2017, 04:07 (Ref:3781168)   #698
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Arrgggh, what is wrong with these people?
Splitting tyre changes and refuelling is such an easy win for tactical variation. And it has the added advantage of not forcing drivers to do stupid, dangerous IMSA-style changes where they end up leaving the box without doing up their belts.
All they have to do is slow the refueling and the tire change will be done long before the car is filled. As long as there's no burnouts I'm ok with this
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Old 18 Nov 2017, 07:56 (Ref:3781179)   #699
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Group C had refuelling and tire changes at the same time... though the refuelling rate was something like 0.5 liters per second.
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Why make two changes to end up with the same result?
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Any news on whether Signatech Alpine will continue in LMP2? Alpine is a car manufacturer once again and manufacturers are not permitted in P2. Could they be the mystery Ginetta customer?
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Any news on whether Signatech Alpine will continue in LMP2? Alpine is a car manufacturer once again and manufacturers are not permitted in P2. Could they be the mystery Ginetta customer?
I believe Alpine are "in talks" with the ACO about remaining in LMP2. Which is a bit of a joke, IMO.

As far as I'm aware Alpine are not the mystery customer.
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So, are they going to do something to balance the hybrids with the non-hybrids? A Toyota parade at the front of the field is something the series could without.
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So, are they going to do something to balance the hybrids with the non-hybrids? A Toyota parade at the front of the field is something the series could without.
Realistically ACO can just increase fuel flow and fuel tank for private lmp1, cut some power and add some extra kg to toyota.
Of course, a real balance will never happen.... but toyota will find a way to lose next le mans anyway.
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but toyota will find a way to lose next le mans anyway.
With Alonso's luck at anything in recent times, that'll certainly happen.

OR...

... the two jinxes collide into obliteration and an Alonso-driven Toyota wins Le Mans in 2018 by also completing over 400 laps.
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